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I don’t think your example is comparing apples to apples with my example. That 61.59 likely includes U.S. taxes which are already built into the $384 fare I posted.  The $384 I posted was actually lower, but the *published* fare was $384 plus applicable charges, as *published* fares must include U.S. taxes.  They currently do not have to include PFCs, segment fees, etc. I did choose the flights.  And $395 was the total cost.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Advertised" is likely the operative word here.  I just checked DFW-SEA on >Travelocity’s Best Fare Finder.  21 day advance purchase fare quoted as $384 >plus applicable charges.  Final cost  for a non-stop is $395.  $11 is two >PFCs and two segment fees.  So it would certainly appear that the fuel >surcharge is included in the published fare. > Well, I guess that depends on your definition of "published" fare, and the > route in question. I just checked Travelocity for a United flight, IAD/SAN. The >  fare was USD 736.00 (674.41 plus 61.59 taxes/fees/airport charges) > In addition, Travelocity states the following at the bottom of its "fare > listings" page: > "Fares shown are subject to additional charges including but not restricted to > Passenger Facility Charges, airline fuel surcharges, segment fees and > taxes/fees associated with international itineraries. The final fare per > passenger will be displayed once flights are chosen." >> No, the fuel surcharge (now $40 on RT itineraries) is in addition to the >base >> fare. So, you’ll have to add $40 + passenger facility charges to any >advertised >> published fare. Those people flying short haul routes, where no low-fare >> competition exists, are really going to feel the pain. >> –Tom >> To e-mail me, remove no-junk from address. > –Tom > To e-mail me, remove no-junk from address.

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An extreme bout of laziness coupled with a chronic aversion to work. Matthew [because I trust seasoned air travelers more than a dopey computer] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It seems as though your questions could be answered simply by checking > Travelocity or any airfare website.  Why don’t you try it?

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>"Advertised" is likely the operative word here.  I just checked DFW-SEA on >Travelocity’s Best Fare Finder.  21 day advance purchase fare quoted as $384 >plus applicable charges.  Final cost  for a non-stop is $395.  $11 is two >PFCs and two segment fees.  So it would certainly appear that the fuel >surcharge is included in the published fare.

Well, I guess that depends on your definition of "published" fare, and the route in question. I just checked Travelocity for a United flight, IAD/SAN. The  fare was USD 736.00 (674.41 plus 61.59 taxes/fees/airport charges) In addition, Travelocity states the following at the bottom of its "fare listings" page: "Fares shown are subject to additional charges including but not restricted to Passenger Facility Charges, airline fuel surcharges, segment fees and taxes/fees associated with international itineraries. The final fare per passenger will be displayed once flights are chosen." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> No, the fuel surcharge (now $40 on RT itineraries) is in addition to the >base > fare. So, you’ll have to add $40 + passenger facility charges to any >advertised > published fare. Those people flying short haul routes, where no low-fare > competition exists, are really going to feel the pain. > –Tom > To e-mail me, remove no-junk from address.

–Tom To e-mail me, remove no-junk from address.

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The fuel surcharge applies to U.S. domestic routings.  YUL-EWR should not be effected. It seems as though your questions could be answered simply by checking Travelocity or any airfare website.  Why don’t you try it?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> OK.. yet another question.  If I were to look up fares YUL-EWR (as I’m prone to > do), would the codeshared UA/AC/CP (yeesh..) fare be $20 more on UA because of fuel > surcharges, or does UA have nothing to do with the flight besides call it one of > their "own" flights, and stick it with a flight number approaching 10,000? And > would a CRS automatically see "Djup! UA! Add $20!," or how does it get decided > where the charge gets tacked on? > Matthew > No, the fuel surcharge (now $40 on RT itineraries) is in addition to the base > fare. So, you’ll have to add $40 + passenger facility charges to any advertised > published fare. Those people flying short haul routes, where no low-fare > competition exists, are really going to feel the pain.

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"Advertised" is likely the operative word here.  I just checked DFW-SEA on Travelocity’s Best Fare Finder.  21 day advance purchase fare quoted as $384 plus applicable charges.  Final cost  for a non-stop is $395.  $11 is two PFCs and two segment fees.  So it would certainly appear that the fuel surcharge is included in the published fare.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> No, the fuel surcharge (now $40 on RT itineraries) is in addition to the base > fare. So, you’ll have to add $40 + passenger facility charges to any advertised > published fare. Those people flying short haul routes, where no low-fare > competition exists, are really going to feel the pain. > –Tom > To e-mail me, remove no-junk from address.

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>So, NW F’s everyone up this time.  My question is now, this $20 surcharge; is >it >included in the published fare, or do you go to book a published $300 ticket >(which, these days, is like flying PHL-EWR), and it’s $320 after surcharges, >or >does that original $300 figure include the fuel? >Matthew

No, the fuel surcharge (now $40 on RT itineraries) is in addition to the base fare. So, you’ll have to add $40 + passenger facility charges to any advertised published fare. Those people flying short haul routes, where no low-fare competition exists, are really going to feel the pain. –Tom To e-mail me, remove no-junk from address.

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OK.. yet another question.  If I were to look up fares YUL-EWR (as I’m prone to do), would the codeshared UA/AC/CP (yeesh..) fare be $20 more on UA because of fuel surcharges, or does UA have nothing to do with the flight besides call it one of their "own" flights, and stick it with a flight number approaching 10,000?  And would a CRS automatically see "Djup! UA! Add $20!," or how does it get decided where the charge gets tacked on? Matthew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> No, the fuel surcharge (now $40 on RT itineraries) is in addition to the base > fare. So, you’ll have to add $40 + passenger facility charges to any advertised > published fare. Those people flying short haul routes, where no low-fare > competition exists, are really going to feel the pain.

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So, NW F’s everyone up this time.  My question is now, this $20 surcharge; is it included in the published fare, or do you go to book a published $300 ticket (which, these days, is like flying PHL-EWR), and it’s $320 after surcharges, or does that original $300 figure include the fuel? Matthew

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According to Tom Parsons, whom I would suspect wrote the following himself, the fuel surcharge is added to the published fare, along with the others fees (PFCs and segment fees). http://www.bestfares.com/travel_center/desks/story.asp?id=10094493&ad… 55&mask=1111 (Note the misleading nature of the title of this article)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So, NW F’s everyone up this time.  My question is now, this $20 surcharge; is it > included in the published fare, or do you go to book a published $300 ticket > (which, these days, is like flying PHL-EWR), and it’s $320 after surcharges, or > does that original $300 figure include the fuel? > Matthew

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Northwest Joins in Fare Hike EAGAN, Minn. (AP) – Northwest Airlines said Saturday it has joined the nation’s other major airlines in raising domestic fares, adding a surcharge of $20 per round trip to cover the higher cost of jet fuel. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000909/bs/air_fares_northwest_1.html –Tom To e-mail me, remove no-junk from address.

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