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>Jan, >If hollering is all you plan to do, go for it.

Is that what you read Rich? You didn’t see any good in my plan?  Me, I have plans that I >would rather not discuss.  They are very radical and I will NOT discuss >them with anyone. >rich

No problem. Just please give others the right to do something good without looking for something/anything you can find that you deem negative. Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Holler?  Is that your solution? >> rich > This was written around election time Rich. Did you see anything of value >in > the article or my plan in what I am doing? > Or would you rather complain? > Jan >>>> What do you propose? >>> We spend a lot of time here arguing, let’s all band together and do >>> something >>> about this problem.  STAND UP AND HOLLER, MAKE YOUR VOTE BE COUNTED!! >>> Jan

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Jan, If hollering is all you plan to do, go for it.  Me, I have plans that I would rather not discuss.  They are very radical and I will NOT discuss them with anyone. rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Holler?  Is that your solution? > rich > This was written around election time Rich. Did you see anything of value in > the article or my plan in what I am doing? > Or would you rather complain? > Jan >>> What do you propose? >> We spend a lot of time here arguing, let’s all band together and do >> something >> about this problem.  STAND UP AND HOLLER, MAKE YOUR VOTE BE COUNTED!! >> Jan

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> If conventional doctors are unable to find >what the problem is with Jan, their best strategy is just to make >something up, give her some harmless herbs and let placebo do its >thing.

You recommending fraudulent treatment, Rich? Why is it acceptable for CM to do this and not AM? Is it merely the size of the fee charged? And how can you tell if a person is a ‘placebo responder’? Best wishes — John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Holler?  Is that your solution? >That has been Jan’s solution ever since she starting posting to this >newsgroup. She brings up the needless deaths in order to deflect >attention from the criticisms against alternative medicine. >She constantly ridicules Dr. Barrett because he is a psychiatrist and >Jan is in great denial that she has a psychiatric problem. > She ridicules conventional medicine because conventional doctors >could often not find what her problem was and alternative could. >Forget whether alternative was correct about the nature of the >problem. They gave her *some* answer and it gave Jan hope. And it is >hope that Jan really needs. If conventional doctors are unable to find >what the problem is with Jan, their best strategy is just to make >something up, give her some harmless herbs and let placebo do its >thing.

Jan, Please answer this wake-up call.  The truth has been clearly laid out for you, in simple language.  Please put your ego aside and accept the truth.   Bashing conventional medicine and dentistry is not a public service, just a symptom of acting-out.  Dogma & propaganda are no substitute for mindful discussion of medical and health related issues.  Paranoia has no place in rational debate.   Denial is not a healthy approach to one’s condition.   Think on these things and accept the healing power of change.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Holler?  Is that your solution? >That has been Jan’s solution ever since she starting posting to this >newsgroup. She brings up the needless deaths in order to deflect >attention from the criticisms against alternative medicine. >She constantly ridicules Dr. Barrett because he is a psychiatrist and >Jan is in great denial that she has a psychiatric problem. > She ridicules conventional medicine because conventional doctors >could often not find what her problem was and alternative could. >Forget whether alternative was correct about the nature of the >problem. They gave her *some* answer and it gave Jan hope. And it is >hope that Jan really needs. If conventional doctors are unable to find >what the problem is with Jan, their best strategy is just to make >something up, give her some harmless herbs and let placebo do its >thing. >Jan, Please answer this wake-up call.  The truth has been clearly laid out >for >you, in simple language.  Please put your ego aside and accept the truth.   >Bashing conventional medicine and dentistry is not a public service, just a >symptom of acting-out.  Dogma & propaganda are no substitute for mindful >discussion of medical and health related issues.  Paranoia has no place in >rational debate.   Denial is not a healthy approach to one’s condition.   >Think on these things and accept the healing power of change.

One more thing, Jan, MHA is not a support group…..

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Holler?  Is that your solution? rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What do you propose? > We spend a lot of time here arguing, let’s all band together and do > something > about this problem.  STAND UP AND HOLLER, MAKE YOUR VOTE BE COUNTED!! > Jan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >I like the article Ilena.  It shows that conventional medicine does > >work, and work well.  With an error rate of 0.05%, I know of no other > >profession that can even approach an error rate that low.  I > >particularly like the last paragraph which blames the press for needless > >scares. > >rich > Double duh. > There are just no mistakes being made and no needless deaths. > We love conv. medicine and are happy with it just like it is. > By in the next breath we just want to die. > Jan >***** I think I picked up on your sarcasm above, Jan, but your last sentence >has >me puzzled.

Then you haven’t read Rich’s posts. >I think Rich’s mention of "the press" is very relevant.  By focusing on >sensational issues that get people’s attention, and using catchy sound bite >headlines, the press often conveys the wrong impression.

Absolutely. >Airline crashes always >get big coverage, and airline safety scandals get reported on.  Sure there is >room for improvement in airline safety, and the press, owned by nasty big >business performs a good whistle

blower function.  But it’s important to remember >that air travel and medical care are already extremely safe.  

So the reported 100,000 or more needless deaths and medical mistakes is a big fiary tale? Printed in medical journals? This is extrenely safe? >  Some of the so >called "needless deaths"

So called?  can be eliminated, but the cost of air travel and >medicine will increase to reflect the necessary changes made to achieve that.

Then the press will be trumpeting the increasing costs of air travel and >medicine.

It doesn’t cost one dime to make sure that medications have proper shelving, neither does it to make rules that medical staff aren’t overworked. This is no excuse for this and it wouldn’t fly in any other industry. >It’s a vicious cycle.  To reduce risks often means to increase costs and >regulation, and then people complain about that too.  I’m all for keeping >"needless deaths" to a minimum, but they will never be eliminated completely >to >everyone’s satisfaction. >Bill Ross

but but but. We could at least start with the very simple things, say like making sure all hospitals are using computers for doctor written prescriptions. Along with the other things I mentioned. Saying we will never satisfy everyone won’t fly. BTW, I wonder why Barrett isn’t concerned about all these needlees deaths and mistakes? He seems to be very concerned  that there are soooo many mentally ill people in this country. Even our boys that fought for our freedom are a bunch of fakers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and he tries to make others believe that GWS is a mental condition. Jan

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>Holler?  Is that your solution? >rich

This was written around election time Rich. Did you see anything of value in the article or my plan in what I am doing? Or would you rather complain? Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> What do you propose? > We spend a lot of time here arguing, let’s all band together and do > something > about this problem.  STAND UP AND HOLLER, MAKE YOUR VOTE BE COUNTED!! > Jan

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>***** You have much more power to help poor people in other countries, than >you do >to stop the so-called *needless deaths* in your own country.  It’s called >’money’.  You write a check to any of the many organizations helping the >poor, or >you do what some do, and actually

go to a poor country, maybe with a church group, >and you help personally.  Those are ways one individual can literally >*prevent >needless deaths* in other countries.

You have no idea how much money I have given to the poor and helped in many other ways. However I am greatly concerned with what is happening right here in this country. As everyone should be. The fact are that we have rules for other industry and this same rules don’t apply for medicine. This is an outrage. We are talking about the difference between life and death. The only reason you want to talk about other countries is because you are trying to protect Barrett who claims to be ye ole protector. <snip> >***** What Harvard study, and how do you know "it wasn’t WRONG."?

The one I posted again tonight. I know it wasn’t wrong because it had doctors on the show that were brave enought to speak up about their mistakes. Serious ones that stay with them continually. Also a reporter that found records in a hosptial that were supposed to be hidden. The show wasn’t a put down, it addressed the reasons for all these needless mistakes and deaths. I still have the tape I wish everyone could watch it. <swnip> >  But since you keep throwing >up the *needless deaths* that you are concerned about, I thought I would rant >and >rave about some that bother me.

And take the heat off of Barrett. Jan

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 http://www.stats.org/newsletters/0105/doctor.htm Doctoring Drug Data Parents suffer terribly when their child has to be hospitalized. Moms and dads will surely have been alarmed, therefore, by the recent news that hospitalized children are the subjects of three times as many errors in their medication as adults. That was how a study in the April 25th edition of The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) was covered by most of the press (