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>|> [bla.. bla..] >Just out of curiosity, I called Northwest’s automated flight information >number (1-800-441-1818) and checked on NW 49 London-Boston-Detroit. The only >arrival listed was at MSP (Minneapolis). American’s number (1-800-223-5436)
[bla... bla..] I was on that flight on sunday – the captain was very witty and kept everybody in a good mood .. The airline paid hotel and food until seats became available monday evening. Is that normal – is it because they landed us in a wrong place? Would they have paid hotel in London if the flight had been canceled? Is there anything I’m entitled to (other than the extra miles)? —anders — Boston University SPAN: BUASTA::ANDERS
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>>Just out of curiosity, I called Northwest’s automated flight information >number (1-800-441-1818) and checked on NW 49 London-Boston-Detroit. The only >arrival listed was at MSP (Minneapolis). American’s number (1-800-223-5436) >[bla... bla..] >I was on that flight on sunday – the captain was very witty and kept >everybody in a good mood .. The airline paid hotel and food until seats >became available monday evening. Is that normal – is it because they landed >us in a wrong place? Would they have paid hotel in London if the flight had >been canceled? Is there anything I’m entitled to (other than the extra >miles)?
No, for natural disasters (and other things beyond their control) they technically don’t owe you anything, though all airlines seem to treat passengers better on international flights than on domestic flights. Northwest sounds like they did quite well for you, getting you to the US (they probably wanted the plane back in position) and even putting you up in a hotel and arranging onwards flights etc. Some people say "but what if my boss demands that I’m in such and such a city by tomorrow" or whatnot. Well, what if you had been in NYC and had planned to drive to Syracuse the day of the storm? You wouldn’t have made it either, but would you have blamed yourself? Of course not, the circumstances were beyond your control. So why does the airline owe you anything if you planned to fly instead? If your boss fires you for not getting there, then your boss is an idiot, for which again the airline is not to blame. RNA
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>I was on that flight on sunday – the captain was very witty and kept >everybody in a good mood .. The airline paid hotel and food until seats >became available monday evening. Is that normal – is it because they landed >us in a wrong place?
Y E S >Would they have paid hotel in London if the flight had >been canceled?
ONLY if it had been cancelled AFTER you were checked-in (per rules.) or BEFORE check-in (for a positive goodwill image-enhancing PR gesture.) Is there anything I’m entitled to (other than the extra >miles)?
Unfortunately NO (and BTW, the extra-miles type of bonus is a (well, almost) purely North American (US & Canada) thing.) Cheers — Ahmed F. Hosny Voice: (613) 828-3522 Nepean (Ottawa) ON
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It used to be that Philadelphia International (PHL) was the field of last resort for transatlantic flights once they got past the "point of no return." Philadelphia International was well equipped for all kinds of emergencies and the ability to plow a runway in a single pass. I assume that that is still the case, although my brother-in-law was planning to fly to Florida via Atlanta on Saturday and the flight was cancelled. I think I remember seeing Philadelphia on a list of airports closed Sunday morning, but with the "Flight operations temporarily halted, will resume shortly" that would mean a ~20 minute shutdown to run the plows. A long time ago I remember sitting on the ground through two of these while waiting to take off. (The delay in takeoff had nothing to do with Philadelphia, but with getting ATC clearance into the midwest.) Finally O’Hare closed with 6" of snow on the ground, the flight was cancelled, and we were left to find our way home in 15" of snow… Robert I. Eachus with Standard_Disclaimer; use Standard_Disclaimer; function Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is… — Robert I. Eachus with Standard_Disclaimer; use Standard_Disclaimer; function Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is…
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>>Let’s start a thread about the conditions at airports and air travel as a resultof this blizzard. >What happened to flights that originated in Europe and started flying when >JFK, BOS, ERW, IAD or ATL were closed? Where did they go? Anyone? >Well one British Airways flight (the Concord) was headed for Dulles (DCA) on >Sunday, but devirted to BWI arriving there at 1300, as DCA was still closed. >The Concord departed at 1600, but I don’t know to where, i.e. to DCA for
I’d like to correct my mistake above DCA is National, and IAD is Dulles so all the places above that have DCA should be IAD, sorry for the typos. National (DCA) was also closed, but don’t know when or for how long. —
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>Let’s start a thread about the conditions at airports and air travel as a resultof this blizzard. >Any one else have stories about this topic? What airports were closed due to >this.. even little ones? I’ve heard: >ATL, IAD, DCA, BDL, JFK, LGA, ERW, BOS, BTV, PWM, and MHT >Atlanta, Dulles, National, Hartford, JFK, LaGuardia, Newark, Boston, Burlington >(VT), Portland (ME), and Manchester (NH) for those of you who don’t know the >codes.
You missed BWI (Baltimore Washington International), closed at 1100 on Sat, although I don’t know what flights made it out, and reopend at 0700 Sun, but the first flights in/out were 1200, of course the outbound flights were delayed by other airport closings (USAIR goes throuh Pittsburgh for most of its flights). >What happened to flights that originated in Europe and started flying when >JFK, BOS, ERW, IAD or ATL were closed? Where did they go? Anyone?
Well one British Airways flight (the Concord) was headed for Dulles (DCA) on Sunday, but devirted to BWI arriving there at 1300, as DCA was still closed. The Concord departed at 1600, but I don’t know to where, i.e. to DCA for passenger drop off/pick up, or back to Hethro with bussed in passengers? Sorry for the late report, but I just read the news… —
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>You missed BWI (Baltimore Washington International), closed at 1100 on Sat, >although I don’t know what flights made it out, and reopend at 0700 Sun, but >the first flights in/out were 1200, of course the outbound flights were >delayed by other airport closings (USAIR goes throuh Pittsburgh for most of >its flights). >What happened to flights that originated in Europe and started flying when >JFK, BOS, ERW, IAD or ATL were closed? Where did they go? Anyone? >Well one British Airways flight (the Concord) was headed for Dulles (DCA) on >Sunday, but devirted to BWI arriving there at 1300, as DCA was still closed. >The Concord departed at 1600, but I don’t know to where, i.e. to DCA for >passenger drop off/pick up, or back to Hethro with bussed in passengers?
The code DCA is National Airport and IAD is Dulles. Did the Concorde go to National.. wow! -Noah Cole PS: I didn’t know the runway was that long! — "I don’t want to be an individual"- Monty Python’s Life of Brian 1600 Grand Avenue, Macalester College, St. Paul MN 55105 (612)-696-7388
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>Well one British Airways flight (the Concord) was headed for Dulles (DCA) on >Sunday, but devirted to BWI arriving there at 1300, as DCA was still closed. >The Concord departed at 1600, but I don’t know to where, i.e. to DCA for >passenger drop off/pick up, or back to Hethro with bussed in passengers?
I think that Dave meant to use IAD for Dulles. DCA is Washington National. BA doesn’t server DCA. The MITRE Corporation voice: (703) 883-7586 7525 Colshire Drive FAX: (703) 883-1397 McLean, VA 22102
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>Well one British Airways flight (the Concord) was headed for Dulles (DCA) on >Sunday, but devirted to BWI arriving there at 1300, as DCA was still closed. >The Concord departed at 1600, but I don’t know to where, i.e. to DCA for >passenger drop off/pick up, or back to Hethro with bussed in passengers?
Like the Concord could land at DCA? I don’t think so. DCA is the code for Washington NATIONAL.
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I heard on the news on Saturday early afternoon the airports that were closed due to weather were supposed to re-open at 4PM EST. I remember that ATL and LGA were on the list specifically.
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>I heard on the news on Saturday early afternoon the airports that were closed due to weather were supposed to re-open at 4PM EST. I remember that ATL and LGA were on the list specifically.
Newark did indeed open a little after 4pm on Sunday. I flew back from London on UA907 on Sunday. We arrived over New Jersey around 4pm and were put in a holding pattern 50 miles north of the Sparta NJ VOR. We stayed there for almost an hour and a half, while the Port Authority continued ploughing the runway that they were trying to open. We finally came down on ground at a little before 6:20. Then we held on a taxiway while the ramp area was ploughed. Finally we disembarked at around 6:40pm. Apparently United was quite ready for all this. The pilot had mentioned before takeoff from London that he was carrying two extra hour’s worth of fuel in addition to the usual emergency requirements. That of course made the plane quite heavy and we seemed to run for ever down the runway at Heathrow before we finally rotated for the takeoff. Given the enormous head winds that caused the flying time from London to Newark to be greater than 8 hours (along the more northerly ETOPS route for the 767), we must have flown out of Londonn with fuel tanks almost overflowing:-). Jishnu Mukerji
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>Let’s start a thread about the conditions at airports and air travel as a resultof this blizzard. >For example, I just heard that college students at Newark started jumping on >ticket counters and screaming at people after being trapped on Saturday. The >Police were called in and the students were brought under controll. According >to NPR, some flights are leaving now. >Any one else have stories about this topic? What airports were closed due to >this.. even little ones? I’ve heard: >ATL, IAD, DCA, BDL, JFK, LGA, ERW, BOS, BTV, PWM, and MHT >Atlanta, Dulles, National, Hartford, JFK, LaGuardia, Newark, Boston, Burlington >(VT), Portland (ME), and Manchester (NH) for those of you who don’t know the >codes.
In today’s Buffalo News there was a story about a charter flight back to Buffalo from Florida that got diverted to Detroit. Not bad in and of itself, but they were not permitted to deplane in Detroit. According to the News, "The Detroit police promised to arrest anybody who got off the plane" (With all Detroit’s crime, don’t you think they have better things to do then keep peopler cooped up on a plane? Just my opinion. And besides, why would it be illegal? I can well understand why it would be illegal if one returned from another country, having been kept planed in Fort Lauderdale once on the way back from Jamaica, but this was a domestic flight). At any rate "at one point people got so mad they went up to the cockpit and ripped open the door and yelled at the captain to either take off or let them leave the plane". There they sat for five hours (as timed by the people on the plane-remember they had already come all the way from Fort Lauderdale) until they got to Indianapolis, where they were deplaned and put up in hotels. They hadn’t eaten in 12 hours. They are all calling it the Flight from hell. Rich International, the tour group that chartered the plane, cannot be reached for comment but denied the plane was grounded in Detroit for five hours. "Fine art and pizza delivery- Dan Case -David Letterman Prodigy: WDNS15D State University of New York at Buffalo
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>Let’s start a thread about the conditions at airports and air travel as a resultof this blizzard. >For example, I just heard that college students at Newark started jumping on >ticket counters and screaming at people after being trapped on Saturday. The >Police were called in and the students were brought under controll. According >to NPR, some flights are leaving now. >Any one else have stories about this topic? What airports were closed due to >this.. even little ones? I’ve heard: >ATL, IAD, DCA, BDL, JFK, LGA, ERW, BOS, BTV, PWM, and MHT >Atlanta, Dulles, National, Hartford, JFK, LaGuardia, Newark, Boston, Burlington >(VT), Portland (ME), and Manchester (NH) for those of you who don’t know the >codes.
I had a REAL FUN weekend. We were originally booked to go out Saturday night but when the forecasts started getting nasty we switched to Saturday morning, called the airline repeatedly from 6AM on to confirm that things were still on. At 10:30AM the news media said JFK and ERW were closed and LGA had limited service, call the airline again, yes sir your flight is still scheduled to leave, check out of the hotel and walk for a taxi, snowing heavily but have flown in weather as bad before. Weather gets noticably worse as we get off the island. When we arrive at the terminal someone grabs our cab (this should have been a tip off) sorry sir, your flight is cancelled, call hotel, nope we’ve already given your room away can’t check back in. Call hotels near LGA most common response is gales of derisive laughter, finally get a reservation at a hotel in Manhattan cost is twice the price of the previous hotel. On the arrivals level all hell has broken loose, there are no Taxis and no Carey buses there are some port authority buses and rental car and hotel shuttles but nothing going anwhere near Manhattan, people are starting to panic, a whole bunch took the AVIS shuttle when they found out the AVIS office was near one of the hotels. I’m on the phone trying to get one of the local hotels to send a shuttle over so we can at least go and sit in the restaurant when my wife notices a guy walking around with someones name on a card. Say’s "if you can’t find your passenger I’ll take the ride" done deal. We were definitely the last people out of the terminal, they were blocking the ramps up to the central terminal when we pulled out. When we got to our hotel we were virtually pounced on by people seeking information "you’ve BEEN to the airport? What’s it like?". Luckily we booked ourselves on a Sunday night flight when Saturday blew up or we’d still be there. Air Canada took three flights out to Toronto and at least 2 to Montreal and as far as I know those were the only planes that left LGA yesterday. — Norman Soley, Software Specialist Digital Equipment of Canada | of Digital Equipment Corporation or my cat Marge. "I saw the fox, but I did not see it eat the Pekinese dog"
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|> Any one else have stories about this topic? What airports were closed due to |> this.. even little ones? I’ve heard: |> ATL, IAD, DCA, BDL, JFK, LGA, ERW, BOS, BTV, PWM, and MHT |> |> What happened to flights that originated in Europe and started flying when |> JFK, BOS, ERW, IAD or ATL were closed? Where did they go? Anyone? Just out of curiosity, I called Northwest’s automated flight information number (1-800-441-1818) and checked on NW 49 London-Boston-Detroit. The only arrival listed was at MSP (Minneapolis). American’s number (1-800-223-5436) was not updated as quickly, and told me that a flight "will depart" 20 minutes ago… Anyone know if any other airlines have or are planning to get these automated information numbers? I think they’re great. American’s even gives some fare info. –Dan
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– MHT – Manchester, NH airport was re-opened sometime early this morning (it was already operating as I was driving into work). No word on how the various airlines will untangle their schedules. Car radio reported that I-93 going into Boston was bumper-to-bumper during "rush" hour starting in Somerville, as folks were heading to Logan; tunnels were very full. Snowfall varied widely throughout NH – mostly in the 18-24 inch range, with Harrisville reporting 56 inches, and Pittsburg (on the Canadian border) only reporting 8 inches. Wind speeds on the coast were not as bad as were feared before the storm, and there were only a few power outages, and those were very localized. (My lights blinked a couple of times, evidently from the power company successfully performing a dynamic re-route!). There were gusts of > 100 MPH atop Fort Mountain (elev. ca. 1400 ft ASL) in Epsom, about 5 miles from my QTH. I don’t have any windspeed measuring equipment, but it was definitely nastier than Hurricane Bob up on my 1000 ft. hill. My VHF beam farm held up nicely. Bayard R. Coolidge N1HO DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are Digital Equipment Corp. solely those of the author, and not Nashua, New Hampshire, USA those of Digital Equipment Corporation "Brake for Moose – It can save your life" – N.H. Fish & Game Dept.
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Let’s start a thread about the conditions at airports and air travel as a resultof this blizzard. For example, I just heard that college students at Newark started jumping on ticket counters and screaming at people after being trapped on Saturday. The Police were called in and the students were brought under controll. According to NPR, some flights are leaving now. Any one else have stories about this topic? What airports were closed due to this.. even little ones? I’ve heard: ATL, IAD, DCA, BDL, JFK, LGA, ERW, BOS, BTV, PWM, and MHT Atlanta, Dulles, National, Hartford, JFK, LaGuardia, Newark, Boston, Burlington (VT), Portland (ME), and Manchester (NH) for those of you who don’t know the codes. What happened to flights that originated in Europe and started flying when JFK, BOS, ERW, IAD or ATL were closed? Where did they go? Anyone? Just wondering… BTW, this is on alt.current-events.blizzard-of-93 and rec.travel.air -Noah Cole — "I can’t think of anything to put here"- Me as I was writing my new .sig file. 1600 Grand Avenue, Macalester College, St. Paul MN 55105 (612)-696-7388
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