Air Travel

Question:

Actually, I believe that the remuneration for lost luggage on international flights is limited by treaty to a certain dollar value per kilogram.  The real value of what you lost is irrelevant.  At least that’s how LIAT (Luggage In Any Terminal) paid me a few years ago.  I’m sure that in addition to the rod and reel you had a few lures and 50 – 60 pounds of sinkers in there.

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No reason too, never had a problem like this before…….now I’ve learned. And I do think the info is hidden.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Live and learn, I guess. > The fishing rod tube was about 6 feet in lenght, and 5 inches in diameter. > No something that could have been carried on board. > This is not the first time I’ve made the trip with this equipment.  And each > time at checkin, when asked what was in the tube, i said  $$$ worth of > fishing gear.  No one ever suggested extra insurance, and I didn’t even know > such a thing existed. > Funny… When car rental places push insurance, people complain. When > airlines don’t push it, people complain.. Go figure… > In all of the times that you have flown, have you ever read the paper > usually attached to a paper ticket? Or… an inflight magazine?? Or… > newsgroups that talked about baggage liability limits? > The information isn’t exactly hidden.

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> Live and learn, I guess. > The fishing rod tube was about 6 feet in lenght, and 5 inches in diameter. > No something that could have been carried on board. > This is not the first time I’ve made the trip with this equipment.  And each > time at checkin, when asked what was in the tube, i said  $$$ worth of > fishing gear.  No one ever suggested extra insurance, and I didn’t even know > such a thing existed.

Funny… When car rental places push insurance, people complain. When airlines don’t push it, people complain.. Go figure… In all of the times that you have flown, have you ever read the paper usually attached to a paper ticket? Or… an inflight magazine?? Or… newsgroups that talked about baggage liability limits? The information isn’t exactly hidden.

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> Live and learn, I guess. > The fishing rod tube was about 6 feet in lenght, and 5 inches in diameter. > No something that could have been carried on board.

That’s some fishing rod! > This is not the first time I’ve made the trip with this equipment.  And each > time at checkin, when asked what was in the tube, i said  $$$ worth of > fishing gear.  No one ever suggested extra insurance, and I didn’t even know > such a thing existed.

I’m not surprised they didn’t.  They don’t care if you lose your valuables, because their liability is very lmiited.  FWIW, the insurance is fairly pricey.  I once purchased it for my wife’s coat — as I recall it wound up being about half the price of the ticket.  Actually, that might be an idea. I’ve heard that cellists can buy a seat for the cello; maybe you can do the same for your fishing rod. > Airlines still Suck

Okay, I’ll concede that they do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Not a good year for air travel for me this year. > > On a recent return trip from an international vacation, my beloved > fishing > > rod equipment was lost.  This equipment was checked in with my other > luggage > > in Mexico, and upon landing in Houston, TX to go thru customs, found > that > > the equipment was missing.  I made several attempts to get airline > personnel > > involved in Houston, however I was told to wait until I arrived at my > final > > destination as PERHAPS the luggage would be there. > > That was May 26th, and today I still don’t have my fishing equipment. > The > > total value?  Over $1000.00 > > Now I find out the airlines will not pay more than $644.00 for any one > piece > > of luggage lost on an international flight.  The airline claims a D.O.T. > > rule gives them this protection.  I was told perhaps my homeowners > insurance > > would cover the balance. > Good advice. > > Has anyone else experienced this?  Is anyone familiar with what the laws > > actually say? > Yep.  The Warsaw Convention limits airline liability. > >  Should the airline have offered to sell me insurance before > > accepting my fishing equipment?  This was not the first time I have ever > > taken this equipment on a flight, but first loss. > > I hate flying.  Airlines suck. > The airlines are pretty bad, but you need to take responsibility for your > own errors.  Don’t check expensive gear — carry it on.  If you can’t > carry > it on get insurance.  KNOW the liability limits before you you check bags. > Lost bags are the second most common complaint about airlines (delays are > the most common).  No one on this group would consider checking luggage > with > expensive items.  A little research goes a long way, you know.

Response:

Thanks Pete, see my response to Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The airlines are pretty bad, but you need to take responsibility for your > own errors.  Don’t check expensive gear — carry it on.  If you can’t carry > it on get insurance.  KNOW the liability limits before you you check bags. > Lost bags are the second most common complaint about airlines (delays are > the most common).  No one on this group would consider checking luggage with > expensive items.  A little research goes a long way, you know. > A couple years ago, I went to Nashville in July. I took a guitar as a > bunch of friends there are Industry Professionals. > SWA let me carry it on, in a soft case. I was the first one on other > than the wheelchair folks and the FAs were helpful in stashing it in a > safe place, very close to me. > Were I traveling by commercial air again, I’d ask the same favor.   They > were very nice about it…Pete > — > Hi Paul

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Live and learn, I guess. The fishing rod tube was about 6 feet in lenght, and 5 inches in diameter. No something that could have been carried on board. This is not the first time I’ve made the trip with this equipment.  And each time at checkin, when asked what was in the tube, i said  $$$ worth of fishing gear.  No one ever suggested extra insurance, and I didn’t even know such a thing existed. Airlines still Suck

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not a good year for air travel for me this year. > On a recent return trip from an international vacation, my beloved fishing > rod equipment was lost.  This equipment was checked in with my other > luggage > in Mexico, and upon landing in Houston, TX to go thru customs, found that > the equipment was missing.  I made several attempts to get airline > personnel > involved in Houston, however I was told to wait until I arrived at my > final > destination as PERHAPS the luggage would be there. > That was May 26th, and today I still don’t have my fishing equipment. The > total value?  Over $1000.00 > Now I find out the airlines will not pay more than $644.00 for any one > piece > of luggage lost on an international flight.  The airline claims a D.O.T. > rule gives them this protection.  I was told perhaps my homeowners > insurance > would cover the balance. > Good advice. > Has anyone else experienced this?  Is anyone familiar with what the laws > actually say? > Yep.  The Warsaw Convention limits airline liability. >  Should the airline have offered to sell me insurance before > accepting my fishing equipment?  This was not the first time I have ever > taken this equipment on a flight, but first loss. > I hate flying.  Airlines suck. > The airlines are pretty bad, but you need to take responsibility for your > own errors.  Don’t check expensive gear — carry it on.  If you can’t carry > it on get insurance.  KNOW the liability limits before you you check bags. > Lost bags are the second most common complaint about airlines (delays are > the most common).  No one on this group would consider checking luggage with > expensive items.  A little research goes a long way, you know.

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> The airlines are pretty bad, but you need to take responsibility for your > own errors.  Don’t check expensive gear — carry it on.  If you can’t carry > it on get insurance.  KNOW the liability limits before you you check bags. > Lost bags are the second most common complaint about airlines (delays are > the most common).  No one on this group would consider checking luggage with > expensive items.  A little research goes a long way, you know.

A couple years ago, I went to Nashville in July. I took a guitar as a bunch of friends there are Industry Professionals. SWA let me carry it on, in a soft case. I was the first one on other than the wheelchair folks and the FAs were helpful in stashing it in a safe place, very close to me. Were I traveling by commercial air again, I’d ask the same favor.   They were very nice about it…Pete — Hi Paul

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> It is NOT a DOT rule.. It is an international agreement.

The Warsaw convention. –Dasn

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not a good year for air travel for me this year. > On a recent return trip from an international vacation, my beloved fishing > rod equipment was lost.  This equipment was checked in with my other luggage > in Mexico, and upon landing in Houston, TX to go thru customs, found that > the equipment was missing.  I made several attempts to get airline personnel > involved in Houston, however I was told to wait until I arrived at my final > destination as PERHAPS the luggage would be there. > That was May 26th, and today I still don’t have my fishing equipment.  The > total value?  Over $1000.00 > Now I find out the airlines will not pay more than $644.00 for any one piece > of luggage lost on an international flight.  The airline claims a D.O.T. > rule gives them this protection.  I was told perhaps my homeowners insurance > would cover the balance.

Good advice. > Has anyone else experienced this?  Is anyone familiar with what the laws > actually say?

Yep.  The Warsaw Convention limits airline liability. >  Should the airline have offered to sell me insurance before > accepting my fishing equipment?  This was not the first time I have ever > taken this equipment on a flight, but first loss. > I hate flying.  Airlines suck.

The airlines are pretty bad, but you need to take responsibility for your own errors.  Don’t check expensive gear — carry it on.  If you can’t carry it on get insurance.  KNOW the liability limits before you you check bags. Lost bags are the second most common complaint about airlines (delays are the most common).  No one on this group would consider checking luggage with expensive items.  A little research goes a long way, you know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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> Not a good year for air travel for me this year. > On a recent return trip from an international vacation, my beloved fishing > rod equipment was lost.  This equipment was checked in with my other luggage > in Mexico, and upon landing in Houston, TX to go thru customs, found that > the equipment was missing.  I made several attempts to get airline personnel > involved in Houston, however I was told to wait until I arrived at my final > destination as PERHAPS the luggage would be there.

Exactly, sometimes the luggage takes a different route than you do. And the only time I had my bag lost, it had actually arrived all the way to SFO, non stop from LHR on BA, which I flew from SVO. Due to the UK BA/AA FF restrictions I had a connecting flight via Chicago. So, what the told you is normal.. > That was May 26th, and today I still don’t have my fishing equipment.  The > total value?  Over $1000.00 > Now I find out the airlines will not pay more than $644.00 for any one piece > of luggage lost on an international flight.  The airline claims a D.O.T. > rule gives them this protection.

It is NOT a DOT rule.. It is an international agreement. I was told perhaps my homeowners insurance > would cover the balance. > Has anyone else experienced this?  Is anyone familiar with what the laws > actually say?  Should the airline have offered to sell me insurance before > accepting my fishing equipment?

Baggage liability is generally printed with the ticket, and usually states domestic and international limits. International limits are set by the international agreement. The airline has no control. You may purchase additional limits from the airline or another insurance carrer. Credit cards also may have some additional coverage, especially gold or higher. Michael

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Next time take a cruise ship and you can fish all the way and sleep with your rod.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not a good year for air travel for me this year. > On a recent return trip from an international vacation, my beloved fishing > rod equipment was lost.  This equipment was checked in with my other luggage > in Mexico, and upon landing in Houston, TX to go thru customs, found that > the equipment was missing.  I made several attempts to get airline personnel > involved in Houston, however I was told to wait until I arrived at my final > destination as PERHAPS the luggage would be there. > That was May 26th, and today I still don’t have my fishing equipment.  The > total value?  Over $1000.00 > Now I find out the airlines will not pay more than $644.00 for any one piece > of luggage lost on an international flight.  The airline claims a D.O.T. > rule gives them this protection.  I was told perhaps my homeowners insurance > would cover the balance. > Has anyone else experienced this?  Is anyone familiar with what the laws > actually say?  Should the airline have offered to sell me insurance before > accepting my fishing equipment?  This was not the first time I have ever > taken this equipment on a flight, but first loss. > I hate flying.  Airlines suck.

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Not a good year for air travel for me this year. On a recent return trip from an international vacation, my beloved fishing rod equipment was lost.  This equipment was checked in with my other luggage in Mexico, and upon landing in Houston, TX to go thru customs, found that the equipment was missing.  I made several attempts to get airline personnel involved in Houston, however I was told to wait until I arrived at my final destination as PERHAPS the luggage would be there. That was May 26th, and today I still don’t have my fishing equipment.  The total value?  Over $1000.00 Now I find out the airlines will not pay more than $644.00 for any one piece of luggage lost on an international flight.  The airline claims a D.O.T. rule gives them this protection.  I was told perhaps my homeowners insurance would cover the balance. Has anyone else experienced this?  Is anyone familiar with what the laws actually say?  Should the airline have offered to sell me insurance before accepting my fishing equipment?  This was not the first time I have ever taken this equipment on a flight, but first loss. I hate flying.  Airlines suck.

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