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Discount Package in Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers I have found a discount package in the Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers Web site – Special offer. (www.sheraton.com/hongkong). This package includes breakfast, discount on SPA and a night in a Harbor View Room. Check it out!

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> Discount Package in Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers > I have found a discount package in the Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers Web > site – Special offer. (www.sheraton.com/hongkong). This package includes > breakfast, discount on SPA and a night in a Harbor View Room. Check it out!

 And this is in WHAT part of the caribbean?

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Discount Package in Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers I have found a discount package in the Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers Web site – Special offer. (www.sheraton.com/hongkong). This package includes breakfast, discount on SPA and a night in a Harbor View Room. Check it out!

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> Discount Package in Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers > I have found a discount package in the Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers Web > site – Special offer. (www.sheraton.com/hongkong). This package includes > breakfast, discount on SPA and a night in a Harbor View Room. Check it out!

The website indicates there is renovation going on. That is probably one reason for the discount. I can find many hotel specials if I look, but that doesn’t warrant posting them in a group discussing air travel. Is there something really special about this one? "From May 4, 2004 to September 12, 2004 the hotel’s driveway will be under renovation. Construction noise will be generated during the day while work is in progress."

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Discount Package in Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers I have found a discount package in the Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers Web site – Special offer. (www.sheraton.com/hongkong). This package includes breakfast, discount on SPA and a night in a Harbor View Room. Check it out!

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> Discount Package in Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers > I have found a discount package in the Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers Web > site – Special offer. (www.sheraton.com/hongkong). This package includes > breakfast, discount on SPA and a night in a Harbor View Room. Check it out!

The website indicates there is renovation going on. That is probably one reason for the discount. I can find many hotel specials if I look, but that doesn’t warrant posting them in a group discussing air travel. Is there something really special about this one? "From May 4, 2004 to September 12, 2004 the hotel’s driveway will be under renovation. Construction noise will be generated during the day while work is in progress."

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>And how long will it be until the airport thieves have the capability to >open the locks?   Will locked luggage equal high value contents?

On the day the locks were introduced a local tv station in San Francisco went to a luggage repair shop and the owner opened the lock easily with a hairpin.

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> > Yes, but isn’t some lock better than no lock at all?  Don’t most criminals > look for easy access?  I’d rather take my chances with those locks than > leave my bag completely unlocked now. > Maybe the criminals feel that the chances of finding something of value > are higher with a locked bag then an unlocked one.

I doubt that.  SMART criminals might think that, but most criminals are neither smart nor motivated.  They are stupid and lazy as a group, and their petty crimes tend to be opportunistic.  In other words, they take the low-hanging fruit and move on as quickly as they can.  It may not make ‘common sense’, but casual baggage thieves do not possess what we would call common sense. In any case, smart criminals would quickly realize that they can simply show up at most airport baggage-claims, take what they want, and roll it out of the airport.  At very few airports in the USA are bag-checks done at all.  And they get great lead-time, because when the passenger realizes their bag is missing and reports it, the airline has no tracking system, and hence does not know if the bag is lost or stolen.  It goes into their computer and a call goes out to look for it at various airports, which can take days or weeks.  By the time the airline decides that it is gone for good, the thief is long gone.  There most likely won’t even be a police report.  Items taken won’t be put into the NCIC stolen goods database for months, if ever. If the thief is really smart, they’ll hit an airport hard for a couple of weeks and then move on to another.  By the time the airline spots the trend in the rise of ‘really lost’ luggage at a particular airport, the damage is done. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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Although one company is stating that their locks won’t be available until December 18th.  (http://www.cclsecurity.com/products/searchalert/) Brookstone is already offering theirs on their website…but I like those at the above link better.  They include a signal on the lock that lets you know if the lock has been opened.  Will likely order a few to hand out at Christmas.  Also, Samsonite, American Tourister and Atlantic are planning on incorporating this type of lock technology into their suitcases so that we will again be able to safely lock our hardside bags (although you will have to purchase a new hardside bag :-(      )             Craig

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The locks were shipped today from the warehouses and should be in stores > by Friday at the latest.

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And how long will it be until the airport thieves have the capability to open the locks?   Will locked luggage equal high value contents? http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/11/business/11road.html?ex=1069218000&… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> November 11, 2003 > ON THE ROAD > A Baggage Lock for You and the Federal Screeners > By JOE SHARKEY > AIRLINE passengers will be able to lock checked bags confidently again > starting tomorrow, thanks to a new customer-service initiative between > private enterprise and the Transportation Security Administration. > Here’s how the plan will work: Several major luggage and lock > retailers in the United States will announce tomorrow the availability > of new locks, made by various manufacturers, that T.S.A. inspectors > will be able to readily identify and open on checked bags selected for > hand searches at airports.

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The locks were shipped today from the warehouses and should be in stores by Friday at the latest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am cautiously optimistic about this news.  Time will tell, but I for > one will be buying a few of these locks as soon as I can.  I suspect > it will take awhile for the boneheads working for the TSA to get the > word, so I’m sure some of the new locks will be cut anyway.  Anyway, > it’s good news for those of us who like to lock our bags. > Best Regards, > Bill Mattocks > *** QUOTE *** > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/11/business/11road.html?ex=1069218000&… > November 11, 2003 > ON THE ROAD > A Baggage Lock for You and the Federal Screeners > By JOE SHARKEY > IRLINE passengers will be able to lock checked bags confidently again > starting tomorrow, thanks to a new customer-service initiative between > private enterprise and the Transportation Security Administration. > Here’s how the plan will work: Several major luggage and lock > retailers in the United States will announce tomorrow the availability > of new locks, made by various manufacturers, that T.S.A. inspectors > will be able to readily identify and open on checked bags selected for > hand searches at airports. > T.S.A. screeners in airports around the country have already been > trained in using secure procedures to open the new certified locks > when necessary, and relock them after inspecting bags. > "Literally since we began the process of screening every checked bag > for explosives in December, one of the challenges has been the ability > to get into bags without doing damage to them," said Brian Turmail, a > spokesman for the T.S.A. > The system, developed in cooperation with the T.S.A. and the Travel > Goods Association, a trade group, was designed around "a common set of > standards that any company that manufactures, or is interested in > manufacturing, luggage or luggage locks could follow that would allow > T.S.A. screeners to open the bag without doing damage to the bag, in a > manner that would allow the bag to stay secured afterwards,” Mr. > Turmail said. "In other words, we can open it, but no one else can." > The locks will be available in various manufacturers’ designs. All > will be geared around a uniform technology allowing them to be opened > by T.S.A. inspectors using a combination of secure codes and special > tools, according to John W. Vermilye, a former airline baggage-systems > executive who developed the system through Travel Sentry, a company he > set up for that purpose. > All the locks will carry a red diamond-shaped logo to certify to > screeners that they meet the Travel Sentry standards. Mr. Vermilye > said his company would receive royalties from manufacturers. > The system will ensure that passengers using the locks will not have > to worry about a lock being broken or a locked bag being damaged if it > is selected for hand inspection. It will also mean more peace of mind > for passengers worried about reports of increased pilferage from > unlocked bags. > "The general feeling of airline passengers is, ‘I don’t like to have > to keep my bags unlocked,’ " added Mr. Vermilye, who once worked as a > baggage handler. "As somebody in the business for 30 years, I don’t > like it either, because I know what goes on" in some baggage-handling > areas, he said. > An industry study showed that 90 percent of air travelers are now > leaving checked bags unlocked, whereas before this year about 66 > percent of them said they always locked their bags. > "I travel all the time, and I always used to lock my bags" until this > year, said Michael F. Anthony, the chairman and chief executive of > Brookstone, a specialty retailer with 266 shops, including 30 in > airports. Besides the worry about theft within the airline > baggage-handling systems, Mr. Anthony said he was concerned on > business trips about unlocked bags in the hands of cab and airport > shuttle drivers, bellhops and others. > Brookstone airport shops are planning to introduce the chain’s own > brand of new locks with in-store promotions tomorrow, Mr. Anthony > said. A package of two four-digit Brookstone combination locks costs > $20. Luggage and other accessories with the lock standards > incorporated also will begin moving soon onto shelves at Brookstone > and other retailers. > Mr. Anthony said that the locks represented a needed air-travel > customer-service breakthrough, "helping people reclaim a sense of > security they had in the past" with their checked possessions. > The T.S.A. mandated screening of all checked bags starting last Dec. > 31. Since then, most of the estimated 1.5 million bags checked daily > in domestic airports have been inspected by bomb-detecting machinery – > but about 10 percent of checked bags are opened and inspected by hand. > Initially, the T.S.A. planned to issue a blanket prohibition against > locking bags, but the agency ultimately decided instead to merely > suggest that passengers not lock them. The T.S.A. public directive on > the subject says: "In some cases screeners will have to open your > baggage as part of the screening process. If your bag is unlocked, > then T.S.A. will simply open the bag and screen the bag. However, if > the bag is locked and T.S.A. needs to open your bag, then locks may > have to be broken. You may keep your bag locked if you choose, but > T.S.A. is not liable for damage caused to locked bags that must be > opened.” > With bags unlocked, many travelers, including business travelers who > pack expensive electronic gear, worried that their checked possessions > were far too vulnerable to theft, passing unlocked through T.S.A. > hands and into the standard airline baggage-handling systems. Reports > of pilferage rose this year, as did concern about who was legally > responsible for claims of theft or damage, since both government and > airline employees have custody of bags at various points. > Mr. Vermilye is a former head of baggage operations for Eastern > Airlines who later worked as a top executive of the International Air > Transport Association, a trade group for airlines worldwide. After > 9/11, he was part of a team of industry consultants working with the > T.S.A. to improve customer service. > Mr. Vermilye and Mr. Turmail at the T.S.A. agreed that the new system > would probably make the screening chore easier for inspectors. "With > this system, they know they don’t have to break a lock or damage a > bag. They go, ‘Relax, I know I can open it.’ It ceases to become an > issue," Mr. Vermilye said. > Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company > *** END QUOTE ***

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Re: Starting today, you can lock your bags again (maybe) – news story  

You can lock your luggage now if you want to stand around and watch them Xray your bag and unlock it if they need it. Why do people keep saying that? At very few airports in the US do they do the inspection of checked luggage near the ticket counters. Most of them do the inspections way down deep inside the airport – and no, you can’t go watch them do it. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< In terminal 4 at Ft. Lauderdale airport there are two bag scanner units near the ticket counters. Eric    

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> Yes, but isn’t some lock better than no lock at all?  Don’t most criminals > look for easy access?  I’d rather take my chances with those locks than > leave my bag completely unlocked now.

Maybe the criminals feel that the chances of finding something of value are higher with a locked bag then an unlocked one.

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> In terminal 4 at Ft. Lauderdale airport there are two bag scanner units > near the ticket counters. > Eric

Good to know that, Eric, but trust me, most airports do not do the inspections topside. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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> You can lock your luggage now if you want to stand around and > watch them Xray your bag and unlock it if they need it.

That is not true at all airports.  Some still x-ray your bag in the bowels of the airport, away from your view. Casey

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> >Turmail said. "In other words, we can open it, but no one else can." > Right. And if you believe that, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

Does it include delivery to Lake Havasu City? JohnT

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> You can lock your luggage now if you want to stand around and watch > them Xray your bag and unlock it if they need it.

Not at all airports.  at LAX and PNS, they would take a swab of your luggage to see if you had any residual explosives on your bag and search it if needed on the spot.  At DEN, FLL, LAS, and DCA, the screening was done out of sight. Tom Smith

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> I don’t share your optimism Mr. Mattocks. The NYT story basically says > that with the new lock design, the TSA will be able to open, inspect and > relock your baggage. That doesn’t mean that they are forced to do so. > The first few weeks they will keep breaking your locks, until they come > to realise what that little red thingie on the lock represents. Then, > they will just use their master keys instead. However, I expect a large > number of luggage to remain unlocked after the procedure. Their rules, > they break ‘em after all, isn’t it? Additionally, it is only a matter of > time until crooks, interested in people’s "dirty laundry" (and all that > expensive stuff people sent to travel in the plane’s belly, instead of > the overhead), aquire an "open ‘em all" key, either by taking apart such > a lock or even getting by employed by the TSA themselves…

do you have any idea how long it took me to get up  off the ground after that ??? jeez, be careful what you ask for and all that… mk5000 "Instructions as I am sure you are quite aware if you have ever bought a tv or any other electronic appliance, is just direct translated. Often the translated versions make no sense"–m

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> You can lock your luggage now if you want to stand around and watch > them Xray your bag and unlock it if they need it.

Why do people keep saying that?  At very few airports in the US do they do the inspection of checked luggage near the ticket counters. Most of them do the inspections way down deep inside the airport – and no, you can’t go watch them do it. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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> Not at all airports.  at LAX and PNS, they would take a swab of your luggage > to see if you had any residual explosives on your bag and search it if > needed on the spot.  At DEN, FLL, LAS, and DCA, the screening was done out > of sight.

At the USA shuttle checkin for DCA they do it right in front of you. miguel — See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

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Yes, but isn’t some lock better than no lock at all?  Don’t most criminals look for easy access?  I’d rather take my chances with those locks than leave my bag completely unlocked now. –Max

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am cautiously optimistic about this news.  Time will tell, but I for > one will be buying a few of these locks as soon as I can. > That’ll be great until 5 minutes after they’re released for sale, when > someone reverse-engineers one, and soon afterwards every luggage thief on > the planet has a master key. > miguel > — > See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

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> I don’t share your optimism Mr. Mattocks. The NYT story basically says > that with the new lock design, the TSA will be able to open, inspect and > relock your baggage. That doesn’t mean that they are forced to do so.

The stupid, stupid, rat creatures that we call the TSA will do as they please in most situations, and call it ‘the law’.  They are very little more than thugs in a uniform. > The first few weeks they will keep breaking your locks, until they come > to realise what that little red thingie on the lock represents. Then, > they will just use their master keys instead.

I agree. > However, I expect a large > number of luggage to remain unlocked after the procedure. Their rules, > they break ‘em after all, isn’t it?

Yes, they do so at their leisure. > Additionally, it is only a matter of > time until crooks, interested in people’s "dirty laundry" (and all that > expensive stuff people sent to travel in the plane’s belly, instead of > the overhead), aquire an "open ‘em all" key, either by taking apart such > a lock or even getting by employed by the TSA themselves…

I doubt most luggage crooks will be that motivated.  These are not car thieves or burglars, picking targets of opportunity wherein riches await.  These are low-life scumbags who make their bucks by quickly opening a bag, rummaging around as quickly as possible, extracting anything that looks or feels a) expensive and b) small, pocket the item, and move on.  Or they steal the bag outright.  Remember that a small knife will cut open most soft-sided luggage, no key required. We’re not talking about master criminals here, we’re talking about sleazebags who hit and move on in seconds.  The lock only serves the purpose of making them decide to move to the next bag, not to keep out the truly motivated. They’re like the guys I’ve seen on video who walk down the street at night checking car doors.  They don’t bother to break windows or pick locks, if a door is locked them move on.  Amazingly, they almost always find a car that is unlocked.  They rifle the interior in a couple of seconds and move on. These guys ain’t safe-crackers, they’re too stupid and inept to hold down jobs. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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>Turmail said. "In other words, we can open it, but no one else can."

Right. And if you believe that, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

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>That’ll be great until 5 minutes after they’re released for sale, when >someone reverse-engineers one, and soon afterwards every luggage thief on >the planet has a master key.

Precisely. Especially on a $5 consumer lock.

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> > I am cautiously optimistic about this news.  Time will tell, but I for > one will be buying a few of these locks as soon as I can. > That’ll be great until 5 minutes after they’re released for sale, when > someone reverse-engineers one, and soon afterwards every luggage thief on > the planet has a master key. > miguel

I doubt that this will happen much.  Under normal circumstances, yes, of course it would.  But the small locks that you put on luggage were never robust anyway.  Anyone could cut them with fairly small cutters, easily concealed.  I am sure the same will be true of these locks. The point, for me, was not to defeat master criminals who really, really, wanted to get into my bag.  It was to defeat ‘casual criminals’ who will open an unlocked bag and rummage around quickly for something interesting to them. If a crook really wants in, he’s getting in, regardless of lock used. Most soft-sided luggage is easy enough to cut with a knife anyway. Most of the key locks that one could purchase all had the same key anyway – you could have a half-dozen keys and open maybe 70 or 80 percent of all luggage with it (I’m guessing). This does only two things, both of which I am in favor of: 1 – Keeps the bag closed, so stuff doesn’t fall out in transit. 2 – Keeps the casual crook moving on, looking for an unlocked bag. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks

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Mattocks) had the nerve to write: >I am cautiously optimistic about this news.  Time will tell, but I for >one will be buying a few of these locks as soon as I can.  I suspect >it will take awhile for the boneheads working for the TSA to get the >word, so I’m sure some of the new locks will be cut anyway.  Anyway, >it’s good news for those of us who like to lock our bags.

I don’t share your optimism Mr. Mattocks. The NYT story basically says that with the new lock design, the TSA will be able to open, inspect and relock your baggage. That doesn’t mean that they are forced to do so. The first few weeks they will keep breaking your locks, until they come to realise what that little red thingie on the lock represents. Then, they will just use their master keys instead. However, I expect a large number of luggage to remain unlocked after the procedure. Their rules, they break ‘em after all, isn’t it? Additionally, it is only a matter of time until crooks, interested in people’s "dirty laundry" (and all that expensive stuff people sent to travel in the plane’s belly, instead of the overhead), aquire an "open ‘em all" key, either by taking apart such a lock or even getting by employed by the TSA themselves… — Giorgos

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> I am cautiously optimistic about this news.  Time will tell, but I for > one will be buying a few of these locks as soon as I can.  I suspect > it will take awhile for the boneheads working for the TSA to get the > word, so I’m sure some of the new locks will be cut anyway.  Anyway, > it’s good news for those of us who like to lock our bags. > Best Regards, > Bill Mattocks

You can lock your luggage now if you want to stand around and watch them Xray your bag and unlock it if they need it.

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> I am cautiously optimistic about this news.  Time will tell, but I for > one will be buying a few of these locks as soon as I can.  I suspect > it will take awhile for the boneheads working for the TSA to get the > word, so I’m sure some of the new locks will be cut anyway.  Anyway, > it’s good news for those of us who like to lock our bags.

[snip] <sigh>     Yes, a bit of good news.  Except of course for those of us who have the "built in" variety that I only "locked" to keep the bag from poping open.  You can open the durn things with a paper clip, but unfortunately the TSA tends to pry them open with a screw driver.

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> I am cautiously optimistic about this news.  Time will tell, but I for > one will be buying a few of these locks as soon as I can.

That’ll be great until 5 minutes after they’re released for sale, when someone reverse-engineers one, and soon afterwards every luggage thief on the planet has a master key. miguel — See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

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> I am cautiously optimistic about this news.  Time will tell, but I for > one will be buying a few of these locks as soon as I can.  I suspect > it will take awhile for the boneheads working for the TSA to get the > word, so I’m sure some of the new locks will be cut anyway.  Anyway, > it’s good news for those of us who like to lock our bags. > Best Regards, > Bill Mattocks

Excellent news, Bill.  Thanks for sharing.  I’ve got some travel coming up next week — I hope I can find the locks before then. > *** QUOTE ***

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/11/business/11road.html?ex=1069218000&… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> November 11, 2003 > ON THE ROAD > A Baggage Lock for You and the Federal Screeners > By JOE SHARKEY > IRLINE passengers will be able to lock checked bags confidently again > starting tomorrow, thanks to a new customer-service initiative between > private enterprise and the Transportation Security Administration. > Here’s how the plan will work: Several major luggage and lock > retailers in the United States will announce tomorrow the availability > of new locks, made by various manufacturers, that T.S.A. inspectors > will be able to readily identify and open on checked bags selected for > hand searches at airports. > T.S.A. screeners in airports around the country have already been > trained in using secure procedures to open the new certified locks > when necessary, and relock them after inspecting bags. > "Literally since we began the process of screening every checked bag > for explosives in December, one of the challenges has been the ability > to get into bags without doing damage to them," said Brian Turmail, a > spokesman for the T.S.A. > The system, developed in cooperation with the T.S.A. and the Travel > Goods Association, a trade group, was designed around "a common set of > standards that any company that manufactures, or is interested in > manufacturing, luggage or luggage locks could follow that would allow > T.S.A. screeners to open the bag without doing damage to the bag, in a > manner that would allow the bag to stay secured afterwards,” Mr. > Turmail said. "In other words, we can open it, but no one else can." > The locks will be available in various manufacturers’ designs. All > will be geared around a uniform technology allowing them to be opened > by T.S.A. inspectors using a combination of secure codes and special > tools, according to John W. Vermilye, a former airline baggage-systems > executive who developed the system through Travel Sentry, a company he > set up for that purpose. > All the locks will carry a red diamond-shaped logo to certify to > screeners that they meet the Travel Sentry standards. Mr. Vermilye > said his company would receive royalties from manufacturers. > The system will ensure that passengers using the locks will not have > to worry about a lock being broken or a locked bag being damaged if it > is selected for hand inspection. It will also mean more peace of mind > for passengers worried about reports of increased pilferage from > unlocked bags. > "The general feeling of airline passengers is, ‘I don’t like to have > to keep my bags unlocked,’ " added Mr. Vermilye, who once worked as a > baggage handler. "As somebody in the business for 30 years, I don’t > like it either, because I know what goes on" in some baggage-handling > areas, he said. > An industry study showed that 90 percent of air travelers are now > leaving checked bags unlocked, whereas before this year about 66 > percent of them said they always locked their bags. > "I travel all the time, and I always used to lock my bags" until this > year, said Michael F. Anthony, the chairman and chief executive of > Brookstone, a specialty retailer with 266 shops, including 30 in > airports. Besides the worry about theft within the airline > baggage-handling systems, Mr. Anthony said he was concerned on > business trips about unlocked bags in the hands of cab and airport > shuttle drivers, bellhops and others. > Brookstone airport shops are planning to introduce the chain’s own > brand of new locks with in-store promotions tomorrow, Mr. Anthony > said. A package of two four-digit Brookstone combination locks costs > $20. Luggage and other accessories with the lock standards > incorporated also will begin moving soon onto shelves at Brookstone > and other retailers. > Mr. Anthony said that the locks represented a needed air-travel > customer-service breakthrough, "helping people reclaim a sense of > security they had in the past" with their checked possessions. > The T.S.A. mandated screening of all checked bags starting last Dec. > 31. Since then, most of the estimated 1.5 million bags checked daily > in domestic airports have been inspected by bomb-detecting machinery – > but about 10 percent of checked bags are opened and inspected by hand. > Initially, the T.S.A. planned to issue a blanket prohibition against > locking bags, but the agency ultimately decided instead to merely > suggest that passengers not lock them. The T.S.A. public directive on > the subject says: "In some cases screeners will have to open your > baggage as part of the screening process. If your bag is unlocked, > then T.S.A. will simply open the bag and screen the bag. However, if > the bag is locked and T.S.A. needs to open your bag, then locks may > have to be broken. You may keep your bag locked if you choose, but > T.S.A. is not liable for damage caused to locked bags that must be > opened.” > With bags unlocked, many travelers, including business travelers who > pack expensive electronic gear, worried that their checked possessions > were far too vulnerable to theft, passing unlocked through T.S.A. > hands and into the standard airline baggage-handling systems. Reports > of pilferage rose this year, as did concern about who was legally > responsible for claims of theft or damage, since both government and > airline employees have custody of bags at various points. > Mr. Vermilye is a former head of baggage operations for Eastern > Airlines who later worked as a top executive of the International Air > Transport Association, a trade group for airlines worldwide. After > 9/11, he was part of a team of industry consultants working with the > T.S.A. to improve customer service. > Mr. Vermilye and Mr. Turmail at the T.S.A. agreed that the new system > would probably make the screening chore easier for inspectors. "With > this system, they know they don’t have to break a lock or damage a > bag. They go, ‘Relax, I know I can open it.’ It ceases to become an > issue," Mr. Vermilye said. > Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company > *** END QUOTE ***

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I am cautiously optimistic about this news.  Time will tell, but I for one will be buying a few of these locks as soon as I can.  I suspect it will take awhile for the boneheads working for the TSA to get the word, so I’m sure some of the new locks will be cut anyway.  Anyway, it’s good news for those of us who like to lock our bags. Best Regards, Bill Mattocks *** QUOTE *** http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/11/business/11road.html?ex=1069218000&… November 11, 2003 ON THE ROAD A Baggage Lock for You and the Federal Screeners By JOE SHARKEY IRLINE passengers will be able to lock checked bags confidently again starting tomorrow, thanks to a new customer-service initiative between private enterprise and the Transportation Security Administration. Here’s how the plan will work: Several major luggage and lock retailers in the United States will announce tomorrow the availability of new locks, made by various manufacturers, that T.S.A. inspectors will be able to readily identify and open on checked bags selected for hand searches at airports. T.S.A. screeners in airports around the country have already been trained in using secure procedures to open the new certified locks when necessary, and relock them after inspecting bags. "Literally since we began the process of screening every checked bag for explosives in December, one of the challenges has been the ability to get into bags without doing damage to them," said Brian Turmail, a spokesman for the T.S.A. The system, developed in cooperation with the T.S.A. and the Travel Goods Association, a trade group, was designed around "a common set of standards that any company that manufactures, or is interested in manufacturing, luggage or luggage locks could follow that would allow T.S.A. screeners to open the bag without doing damage to the bag, in a manner that would allow the bag to stay secured afterwards,” Mr. Turmail said. "In other words, we can open it, but no one else can." The locks will be available in various manufacturers’ designs. All will be geared around a uniform technology allowing them to be opened by T.S.A. inspectors using a combination of secure codes and special tools, according to John W. Vermilye, a former airline baggage-systems executive who developed the system through Travel Sentry, a company he set up for that purpose. All the locks will carry a red diamond-shaped logo to certify to screeners that they meet the Travel Sentry standards. Mr. Vermilye said his company would receive royalties from manufacturers. The system will ensure that passengers using the locks will not have to worry about a lock being broken or a locked bag being damaged if it is selected for hand inspection. It will also mean more peace of mind for passengers worried about reports of increased pilferage from unlocked bags. "The general feeling of airline passengers is, ‘I don’t like to have to keep my bags unlocked,’ " added Mr. Vermilye, who once worked as a baggage handler. "As somebody in the business for 30 years, I don’t like it either, because I know what goes on" in some baggage-handling areas, he said. An industry study showed that 90 percent of air travelers are now leaving checked bags unlocked, whereas before this year about 66 percent of them said they always locked their bags. "I travel all the time, and I always used to lock my bags" until this year, said Michael F. Anthony, the chairman and chief executive of Brookstone, a specialty retailer with 266 shops, including 30 in airports. Besides the worry about theft within the airline baggage-handling systems, Mr. Anthony said he was concerned on business trips about unlocked bags in the hands of cab and airport shuttle drivers, bellhops and others. Brookstone airport shops are planning to introduce the chain’s own brand of new locks with in-store promotions tomorrow, Mr. Anthony said. A package of two four-digit Brookstone combination locks costs $20. Luggage and other accessories with the lock standards incorporated also will begin moving soon onto shelves at Brookstone and other retailers. Mr. Anthony said that the locks represented a needed air-travel customer-service breakthrough, "helping people reclaim a sense of security they had in the past" with their checked possessions. The T.S.A. mandated screening of all checked bags starting last Dec. 31. Since then, most of the estimated 1.5 million bags checked daily in domestic airports have been inspected by bomb-detecting machinery – but about 10 percent of checked bags are opened and inspected by hand. Initially, the T.S.A. planned to issue a blanket prohibition against locking bags, but the agency ultimately decided instead to merely suggest that passengers not lock them. The T.S.A. public directive on the subject says: "In some cases screeners will have to open your baggage as part of the screening process. If your bag is unlocked, then T.S.A. will simply open the bag and screen the bag. However, if the bag is locked and T.S.A. needs to open your bag, then locks may have to be broken. You may keep your bag locked if you choose, but T.S.A. is not liable for damage caused to locked bags that must be opened.” With bags unlocked, many travelers, including business travelers who pack expensive electronic gear, worried that their checked possessions were far too vulnerable to theft, passing unlocked through T.S.A. hands and into the standard airline baggage-handling systems. Reports of pilferage rose this year, as did concern about who was legally responsible for claims of theft or damage, since both government and airline employees have custody of bags at various points. Mr. Vermilye is a former head of baggage operations for Eastern Airlines who later worked as a top executive of the International Air Transport Association, a trade group for airlines worldwide. After 9/11, he was part of a team of industry consultants working with the T.S.A. to improve customer service. Mr. Vermilye and Mr. Turmail at the T.S.A. agreed that the new system would probably make the screening chore easier for inspectors. "With this system, they know they don’t have to break a lock or damage a bag. They go, ‘Relax, I know I can open it.’ It ceases to become an issue," Mr. Vermilye said. Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company *** END QUOTE ***

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> > Why dont we state what is obvious. The Transportation Systems(airlines, > trains, and buses) in the United States STINK in comparison to alot of > the other Industrial nations. > The problem with air travel is perhaps one of capacity/demand. Both airlines > and airport are having a hard time adjusting to the changing of demand and > regulations. But over time, wouldn’t it stabilise itself ?

Bullocks. The problem with airlines is that they’re too much of a political weapon. That bailout package is a joke and an offense to our capitalist system. Airlines were in financial touble long before September 11, 2001. If anything Sept 11 was a good thing to some, it offered them the perfect excuse and an influx of cash they wouldn’t get any other way. If your business plan doesn’t include enough savings to get you through the hard times then you should go out of business. End of story.      - Manuel.

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> Bullocks. The problem with airlines is that they’re too much of a > political weapon. That bailout package is a joke and an offense to our > capitalist system. Airlines were in financial touble long before > September 11, 2001.

Remember how much the Bush Sr Gulf war hurt airlines and tourism worldwide in the early 1990s ? Well, now consider what Bush Jr’s potential war against Irak might do to the airlines, considering that the airlines are borderline bankrupcy this time around whereas in the prevous ulf war, they were quite healthy before the war.

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Voce e portugues?Fala Portugues?

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> Bullocks. The problem with airlines is that they’re too much of a > political weapon. That bailout package is a joke and an offense to our > capitalist system. Airlines were in financial touble long before > September 11, 2001. > Remember how much the Bush Sr Gulf war hurt airlines and tourism worldwide in > the early 1990s ? > Well, now consider what Bush Jr’s potential war against Irak might do to the > airlines, considering that the airlines are borderline bankrupcy this time > around whereas in the prevous ulf war, they were quite healthy before the

war. Eastern and Pan Am weren’t in such great shape. :)

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They should have given some of that cash to Amtrak.  Lord knows they need it.

The intent of the federal aid under last year’s Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act was to compensate air carriers for losses incurred as a result of the terrorist attacks on the United States. But the legislation was sold to us as an investment in the future of America’s air transportation system. The airlines took our money and used it to fund their failure. They accepted our hard-earned tax dollars and now they want to take even more of our money before they go under. Thanks for nothing.

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:>They should have given some of that cash to Amtrak.  Lord knows they need :>it. Might I guess that you live somewhere where Philadelphia is considered to be the west?

:>The intent of the federal aid under last year’s Air Transportation :>Safety and System Stabilization Act was to compensate air carriers for :>losses incurred as a result of the terrorist attacks on the United :>States. But the legislation was sold to us as an investment in the :>future of America’s air transportation system. The airlines took our :>money and used it to fund their failure. They accepted our hard-earned :>tax dollars and now they want to take even more of our money before they :>go under. :> :>Thanks for nothing. :> — http://www.dissensoftware.com

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Why dont we state what is obvious. The Transportation Systems(airlines, trains, and buses) in the United States STINK in comparison to alot of the other Industrial nations. Very few of the companies can claim any kind of profit and the kind of service they provide is pitiful compared to all the money(however spent) thrown at it. If a company cant stay solvent because of costs, maybe its time for them to just shut down. Unions arent the only costs involved with these Transportation companies. Just look at the outrageous salaries and benefits(including separation) given to management for running a losing operation. Sorry, had to vent. Jack

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> Why dont we state what is obvious. The Transportation Systems(airlines, > trains, and buses) in the United States STINK in comparison to alot of > the other Industrial nations.

Wouldn’t it be fair to state that many bus lines are in fact succesful and provide a good service ? And Amtrak, apart from the current teething problems with Acela, doesn’t it provice decent service to the cities it serves ? it may not represent an alternative to air travel in most of its network, but doesn’t it still fulfil its purpose ? The problem with air travel is perhaps one of capacity/demand. Both airlines and airport are having a hard time adjusting to the changing of demand and regulations. But over time, wouldn’t it stabilise itself ? When you look at Hong Kong, it is an anarchy that works. And I would say that the US airlines were like that until a couple of years ago when increase inf frequencies backfired and resulted in more delays than there were frequencies and initiated a long drawn out decline in aviation with only Southwest and Jetblue surviving because they are well organised and well runned.

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> :>They should have given some of that cash to Amtrak.  Lord knows they need > :>it. > Might I guess that you live somewhere where Philadelphia is considered to be > the west?

What does that mean? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > :>The intent of the federal aid under last year’s Air Transportation > :>Safety and System Stabilization Act was to compensate air carriers for > :>losses incurred as a result of the terrorist attacks on the United > :>States. But the legislation was sold to us as an investment in the > :>future of America’s air transportation system. The airlines took our > :>money and used it to fund their failure. They accepted our hard-earned > :>tax dollars and now they want to take even more of our money before they > :>go under. > :> > :>Thanks for nothing. > :> > — > http://www.dissensoftware.com

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> Congress allocated $15 billion to save the carriers after the terrorist > attacks, of which $5 billion was outright grants. Of that, US Airways > pocketed $287 million and United took $724 million. Are these airlines > going down and taking our tax dollars with them?

How much of the 15 billion allocated to airlines went to airports to pay for the reserves that had machine guns at airports etc etc ? How much of the 15 billion was spent on securing insurance for the airlines because private insurers refused to cover airlines worldwide (most government ended up insuring their country’s airlines during that period). Now, if you want to see money squandered, look at General Motors. Yes, the icon of private enterprise. Years ago, they agreed to not only keep their plant in Montreal opened, but also modernise it and keep it opened for over a decade. In exchange, they got a no-interest loan from the governments of Qu

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In answer to the subject question, yes they have.  I think today was the launch date.  There was a 2 x half page spread in the National Post today as well, describing the BC meals.  These ads are more direct, touting legroom, power outlets, food, etc, as opposed to the previous touch-feely ads that didn’t really talk about air travel at all.  There was also a gripe from CP’s previous ad agency (the one responsible for the touch-feely ads) saying that it was a bad campaign and bad timing. Sour grapes, I suspect.  I think these are the ads that many here felt CP should have been running 6 months ago. > This morning (very very early) (or more like very late at night yestyerday), I > saw a TV ad on the SPACE channel. > It was a Canadian Airlines ad for its new business class. The ad itself was ok > (but not expretemly impressive compared to other airlines bragging about > beds),

I don’t think CP’s customers, particularly domestic, really care about the beds, or the prices they command. CP’s wide body BC seats are still quite comfortable, probably amongst the best non-sleeper seats, for sleeping in. > but it struck me as odd to see a CP ad at that time slot but not during > prime time.

I think you will shortly see them at all hours. > Does CP have some sort of contractual obligation to air these ads and managed > to at least switch them to times when noone is watching TV,

No.  These things are normally handled by the ad agency, that may have put together a package air time deal. > or have they now > given up on the onex thingy and will push to regain passengers who are > probably avoiding CP like the plague now that CP has admitted it wants to fold > (into AC) ?

I’ve yet to see anybody "avoid" CP because of Onex, and can see no reason why they would, especially if they have status with CP. Remember, it’s CP that is guaranteeing it’s frequent flyer program benefits, while AC is looking out for it’s senior managers, under the guise of looking out for shareholders, and completely ignoring their passengers and FFers. > Will these ads be aired during prime-time ?

Yep. > ah, Mr Captain/CP, you didn’t expect me to see that ad, did you ? :-)

Hey!  *I’M* Mr. CP.  And damn straight.  I expect, nay — demand, that you watch TV 24 hours a day until you’ve seen all of the ads.

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This morning (very very early) (or more like very late at night yestyerday), I saw a TV ad on the SPACE channel. It was a Canadian Airlines ad for its new business class. The ad itself was ok (but not expretemly impressive compared to other airlines bragging about beds), but it struck me as odd to see a CP ad at that time slot but not during prime time. Does CP have some sort of contractual obligation to air these ads and managed to at least switch them to times when noone is watching TV, or have they now given up on the onex thingy and will push to regain passengers who are probably avoiding CP like the plague now that CP has admitted it wants to fold (into AC) ? Will these ads be aired during prime-time ? ah, Mr Captain/CP, you didn’t expect me to see that ad, did you ? :-)

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says… >This morning (very very early) (or more like very late at night yestyerday), >Isaw a TV ad on the SPACE channel. >It was a Canadian Airlines ad for its new business class. The ad itself was >ok (but not expretemly impressive compared to other airlines bragging about >beds),

* For some info regarding the ads campaign go to Canadian’s web page, www.cdnair.ca and check press releases. Yeah, they are ok, but much better than the previous series of B&W. >but it struck me as odd to see a CP ad at that time slot but not during

prime time. *I’ve seen the 3 of them on the 6 pm CTV news, and on other shows during prime time. Remember that most programs are broadcasted from the east, and on the west coast is 3 hours difference. Midnight east is only 9pm Vancouver. >Does CP have some sort of contractual obligation to air these ads and >managed to at least switch them to times when noone is watching TV, or have >they now given up on the onex thingy and will push to regain passengers who >are probably avoiding CP like the plague now that CP has admitted it wants >to fold (into AC) ?

* As per CP management life continues normally and business as usual. >Will these ads be aired during prime-time ?

*Yes. They are being shown at prime time. In about 10 different selected shows and channels. >ah, Mr Captain/CP, you didn’t expect me to see that ad, did you ? :-)

* Why not? Other than you should be in bed by that time. There was a press conference in Toronto announcing the fall ad campaign and the release of the ads, a couple of days ago.

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anyone know where i can buy replacement factory floor mats?

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From a Ford Dealer??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >anyone know where i can buy replacement factory floor mats?

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Check this website:  www.partscheap.com, they sell OEM Ford Parts/Accessories and I would also check your local Ford dealership to compare prices. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > From a Ford Dealer??? >anyone know where i can buy replacement factory floor mats?

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Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz on one side, and is cut to fit car. Thanks Ed Before you buy.

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Please contact me. I ma certain that I can get you what you are looking for. thank you – Happy Holidays! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz >on one side, and is cut to fit car. >Thanks >Ed >Before you buy.

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Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz on one side, and is cut to fit car. Thanks Ed Before you buy.

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Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz on one side, and is cut to fit car. Thanks Ed Before you buy.

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Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz on one side, and is cut to fit car. Thanks Ed Before you buy.

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Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz on one side, and is cut to fit car. Thanks Ed Before you buy.

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Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz on one side, and is cut to fit car. Thanks Ed Before you buy.

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Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz on one side, and is cut to fit car. Thanks Ed Before you buy.

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Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz on one side, and is cut to fit car. Thanks Ed Before you buy.

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Please contact me. I ma certain that I can get you what you are looking for. thank you – Happy Holidays! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz >on one side, and is cut to fit car. >Thanks >Ed >Before you buy.

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Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz on one side, and is cut to fit car. Thanks Ed Before you buy.

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Please contact me. I ma certain that I can get you what you are looking for. thank you – Happy Holidays! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz >on one side, and is cut to fit car. >Thanks >Ed >Before you buy.

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Looking for floor mat manufacturer that has merecedes benz on one side, and is cut to fit car. Thanks Ed Before you buy.

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where can i buy snow / water floor mats (they should have a lip for holding in the water) for my a6 ‘98. i’m interested in front and back mats. third party will do. any recommendations? prices? can i get them online?

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http://www.weathertech.com I am very happy with mine and they fit perfectly in my 2000 A6 with no trimming.  They are very nice mats.  I don’t work for them, just like the mats. — Bart A. Lane 3DfxCOOL / Ultra High Quality Computer Cooling Fans http://www.3dfxcool.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> where can i buy snow / water floor mats (they should have a lip for > holding in the water) for my a6 ‘98. i’m interested in front and back > mats. > third party will do. > any recommendations? > prices? > can i get them online?

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Does anyone know where I might be able to find fitted floor mats for an Audi TT ? Thanks, sdc.

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>Does anyone know where I might be able to find fitted floor mats for an Audi >TT ? >Thanks, >sdc.

try a dealer.  if they don’t have them they should be able to order them. Joe University of Notre Dame ‘99 1987 Audi 4000S 1977 Yamaha XS750

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Try: www.bellaviaaudi.com They have lots of Audi stuff online for sale- dont know if they have that specific item, try giving them a call if its not online.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Does anyone know where I might be able to find fitted floor mats for an Audi >TT ? >Thanks, >sdc. >try a dealer.  if they don’t have them they should be able to order them. >Joe >University of Notre Dame ‘99 >1987 Audi 4000S >1977 Yamaha XS750

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Hi… a lot of people have been telling me to buy an extra floor mat set for my 00 integra… does it make sense to buy an extra set w/ a set that still is brand new?  How hard is it to get a set of floor mats in lets say 3 years from now when I actually need to replace them? Also… car cover… where is a good place to get a car cover? should i buy the acura car cover?  where’s a good place for acura floor mats if i need it? thanks

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The best covers that I know of are made in California by "North Coast Tarpaulin Works." They make fitted covers with pockets for your side mirrors. They have several different fabrics — the cheaper ones don’t breathe, and the more expensive ones do.  I had one for my ‘95 Civic and I really liked it.  It was around $125 or so. You might try to find them on the net. I haven’t seen the OEM covers but if they’re like most of the other accessories (like a CD changer, for example) they’re probably somewhat lower quality at a higher price. Good luck!

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>The best covers that I know of are made in California by "North Coast Tarpaulin >Works." They make fitted covers with pockets for your side mirrors. They have >several different fabrics — the cheaper ones don’t breathe, and the more >expensive ones do.  I had one for my ‘95 Civic and I really liked it.  It was >around $125 or so. You might try to find them on the net. >I haven’t seen the OEM covers but if they’re like most of the other accessories >(like a CD changer, for example) they’re probably somewhat lower quality at a >higher price.

FWIW, the OEM Honda-logo cover for recent Civics is the breathable fabric, fitted (pockets for side mirrors) variety, and it’s a "factory fit." Has the grommets for a locking chord, as well. WRT floor mats — The most wear I get is under the driver’s right heel. I picked up a set of el cheapo floor mats in an almost matching color and used one of the small "rear" mat for where my heels rest while driving. It’s sacrificial; when it wears out I’ll switch to the other one. — Rich Webb    Norfolk, VA

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The non-logo floor mats come with all versions of the 2003 Accord.  We have them, and they are nice mats.  Wish the had the logo, but not for the price. Dick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not sure which car you are referring to, but on the Accord, floor mats > are standard.  If you want the nice ones with the Accord logo, they > are extra. > Dick >I was referring to my 1993 Accord when I bought it new in 1993. I’m thinking >about buying a new car and I’d like to avoid surpise expenses such as this. >The mats they sold me were nice with the Accord logo and they were cut to >fit nicely, but I was never told there was a cheaper/free option. >Andrew >>What’s the deal with floor mats? Shouldn’t floor mats be included >>as standard equipment?  We agree on the price for the car and my >>salesman tells me, ‘by the way, that price doesn’t include floor >>mats, would you like to buy some? What’s up with that? >>Andrew

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>> Not sure which car you are referring to, but on the Accord, floor mats > are standard.  If you want the nice ones with the Accord logo, they > are extra. > Dick >I was referring to my 1993 Accord when I bought it new in 1993. I’m thinking >about buying a new car and I’d like to avoid surpise expenses such as this. >The mats they sold me were nice with the Accord logo and they were cut to >fit nicely, but I was never told there was a cheaper/free option.

AFAIK the recent "included" floormats started with the 2001 Accords.  I had to pay for them with our 2K Accord – I’d gotten them to push our tradein up by $1K and was weary of haggling – and I wish I’d just bought them myself from one of the on-line vendors.  They had the cheek to charge $5. for "fitting" and just threw the anchor fittings away. >>What’s the deal with floor mats? Shouldn’t floor mats be included >>as standard equipment?  We agree on the price for the car and my >>salesman tells me, ‘by the way, that price doesn’t include floor >>mats, would you like to buy some? What’s up with that? >>Andrew

Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they’re paranoid doesn’t mean you’re not psychotic" – Who, me??

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Not universally but Buick had turn signals, with little amber arrows in a red lens, as standard equipment before the war.  Cadillac had then after the war. The first Chevy that I owned that had them was a 1951 but the ‘50 had them as well.  I don’t know it they were an option or not  The heater was still an option in 1951  ;) mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Going back to the 1957 Ford, you had to pay extra for the clock, > back-up lamps, heater, oil filter, power brakes, power steering, > radio, seat belts, tinted glass and windshield washer. > I didn’t think seat belts were available that early (early 60’s). > At this time, or maybe a little earlier, turn signals weren’t standard, > either.

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> Not sure which car you are referring to, but on the Accord, floor mats > are standard.  If you want the nice ones with the Accord logo, they > are extra. > Dick

I was referring to my 1993 Accord when I bought it new in 1993. I’m thinking about buying a new car and I’d like to avoid surpise expenses such as this. The mats they sold me were nice with the Accord logo and they were cut to fit nicely, but I was never told there was a cheaper/free option. Andrew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What’s the deal with floor mats? Shouldn’t floor mats be included >as standard equipment?  We agree on the price for the car and my >salesman tells me, ‘by the way, that price doesn’t include floor >mats, would you like to buy some? What’s up with that? >Andrew

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> Yes, even our 1955 Ford Fairlane had seat belts.  Still have the > invoice.  Seat belts on the ‘57 came as part of a Safety Package. > Package A was $19.40 and Package B was $33.80.  Can’t tell if turn > signals were standard, but both our ‘55 and ‘57 had turn signals from > the factory.

Methinks turn signals are still optional these days, as much as I actually see them in use.   :(

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> Not sure which car you are referring to, but on the Accord, floor mats > are standard.  If you want the nice ones with the Accord logo, they > are extra.

Yeah, but they are pitifully small.  I went to PepBoys and got some extra-large ones to put over the top of them (think they were Sagaz(sp?) brand).  The large ones aren’t as pretty, but I can hop in the car on a wet, rainy, muddy, or snowy day with little worry…. the floorboard carpet will be like new if I ever decide to sell the car.   I speak from experience here, as I sold my ‘92 Dakota truck in 2002 with 167k miles on it, and the floorboard carpet still looked like new – used a full-size truck mat in that truck.   =)

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> Yes, even our 1955 Ford Fairlane had seat belts.

That’s right, Ford decided to promote safety and had many features other makes didn’t offer, but it was a sales bust. "Seat belts for cars came along in 1956 Ford offered this and the public really didn

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My future wife and I intend to travel to Belize for about 10 days in early September 98 for our honeymoon. We would like to have an adventurous, exotic, educational, unique and somewhat luxurious trip. We are both certified divers, horseback riders and experienced trekkers/climbers/mountaineers. We do not usually like group tours although for certain things where it’s appropriate that’s OK. We normally travel on the very low end of things a la Lonely Planet guidebooks but as this is our honeymoon I thought it would be fun to have an upscale excursion for once. I am attempting to have a trip customized and booked for us in advance which I would like to include: – romantic, luxurious, places to stay with good food and secluded cabannas/rooms on the beach or in the jungle (with access to local nightlife where appropriate). Preferably these places would be small and personal but luxurious. – diving at a variety of the best spots; my fiance has just got her certification and this will be her first dive in tropical waters! I’d like to dive extensively in several different locations with breaks in between for trips inland. – eco-tour type educational trips, outings and courses; my fiance would love to spot some jaguars, ocelots, tapirs etc. and we’re both interested in environmental issues. – tours of the Mayan ruins including Tikal – it’d be great to have a personal tour guide who could take us around. – horseback rides and caving and kayaking – not essential but I thought a fun addition again perhaps with a personal guide. – beach activities including sailing and windsurfing I’d greatly appreciate any advice, recommendations, personal experiences and particularly recommendations of a good, reliable tour operator to book all this through (including air travel from the US). Or would it be better not to book it as one whole package?  Pls send me your advice. TIA Rob Schmidt New York City

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Here was a web site that specialized in Belize. I was asking about unusual resorts in a natural setting. http://www.capecod.net/itctravel/ Happy honeymoon, Mike

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Be careful in Belize! A local high school teacher on vacation was killed during a robbery there last week. I don’t know if this is an isolated incident or whether there are other problems. Tom. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My future wife and I intend to travel to Belize for about 10 days in early > September 98 for our honeymoon. We would like to have an adventurous, > exotic, educational, unique and somewhat luxurious trip. > We are both certified divers, horseback riders and experienced > trekkers/climbers/mountaineers. We do not usually like group tours although > for certain things where it’s appropriate that’s OK. We normally travel on > the very low end of things a la Lonely Planet guidebooks but as this is our > honeymoon I thought it would be fun to have an upscale excursion for once. > I am attempting to have a trip customized and booked for us in advance > which I would like to include: > – romantic, luxurious, places to stay with good food and secluded > cabannas/rooms on the beach or in the jungle (with access to local > nightlife where appropriate). Preferably these places would be small and > personal but luxurious. > – diving at a variety of the best spots; my fiance has just got her > certification and this will be her first dive in tropical waters! I’d like > to dive extensively in several different locations with breaks in between > for trips inland. > – eco-tour type educational trips, outings and courses; my fiance would > love to spot some jaguars, ocelots, tapirs etc. and we’re both interested > in environmental issues. > – tours of the Mayan ruins including Tikal – it’d be great to have a > personal tour guide who could take us around. > – horseback rides and caving and kayaking – not essential but I thought a > fun addition again perhaps with a personal guide. > – beach activities including sailing and windsurfing > I’d greatly appreciate any advice, recommendations, personal experiences > and particularly recommendations of a good, reliable tour operator to book > all this through (including air travel from the US). Or would it be better > not to book it as one whole package?  Pls send me your advice. TIA > Rob Schmidt > New York City

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What you want to plan is normal for a Belize trip: mix and matching from the options available.  You needn’t take a single tour that covers everything you want to do, but if you want excursions, you would not be alone on them, necessarily, unless you wanted to book a private tour.  I would suggest a few days on the beach, probably Ambergris Caye for diving and beaching, then a jungle destination.  I would definitely overnight in Tikal to take full advantage of the trip, rather than day trip in either by land or air. I would suggest you work with a travel agent and/or supplier who knows Belize for this special trip.  If you want to take a peek at our Belize information, point your browser to: http://www.4windstravel.com/shows/belize/belize1.html Although we have some tourism information on line, it certainly isn’t all that is available, since these trips are usually individually planned, as you want to do. Judy Four Winds Travel Services, Inc.   630-851-4336, FAX: 630-851-5402                  http://www.4windstravel.com >My future wife and I intend to travel to Belize for about 10 days in early >September 98 for our honeymoon. We would like to have an adventurous, >exotic, educational, unique and somewhat luxurious trip.

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HI,     BTW your email address was not work, so I’m posting this to the group. My wife and I honeymooned in Belize in 1994.  We had   a real good time, but not great. Some things are overated and some under. There really is no rain forest, but there is nice jungle. We started our trip in the north near San Igancio and stayed at the Windy Hill.  A nice place with cottages and they offer trips, canoe, belize zoo (worth seeing for an hour or so and horse back to some Mayan ruins in the area.  There is also Cha Creek something like there where you sleep in covered huts. it is right on the MAco river were we canoed. There is also a nature and plant preserve which is overrated, but still worth a look see.  There are some other places to stay, but unsure of them now. Do the cave trip well worth seeing a where they hid and lived under ground. There is a real rough place to stay at the woman who owns the cave, but drink only your water or beer or soda. The food did not get me sick. The San Ig  town was small and limited night life.  Dirty and cute. Buy some Marie Sharp’s hot sause great stuff. Called Melindas in the US. Here is what you should do but we did not. But figured it out later.The Guatamala border is a few miles from San Ig. The town is Menor de Medes or something like that . Go there cross the border and hire a cab to take you to Tikal right then and there or to Flores a small town on an island is a middle of lake real cute and stay there and then go to Tikal.  STAY OVER  in Tikal at the jungle lodge and catch the monkies and the tucans and whole deal. We did not know the promimtiy and saftey when we went so we flew from Belize city to Flores. Waste of money and time.   BARGAIN!!!! with the cabbies they say $100 for a ride, but for $20 they’ll be happy or a bit more after 4 years. You can get a guide at Tikal to take you through the whole place. $20 or so. There is also a ruin in the north of belize that was not open yet but might be starts with a C .  The Jaguar preserve I heard is more Jungle than Cats, but you never know.   Rent a jeep and drive around. Diving –  Ambergris Caye – GREAT Stuff.   I used  Amigos del Mar for the close stuff and Blue Hole for the rest.  ADM were great, use them for the night dive to the hol chan preserve.   BH sucked and I beleive are out of business, good!!  The acutual blue hole dive was cool, but not worth three hours on the boat. Light house caye has soem good stuff and good wall.  The close dives, right over the reef off shore 1/4 -1/2 mile were great.  Dive your guts out.  No real beach here, maybe on some other caye. We stayed at the Victoria house. Cute place, food ok, but out of town and needed to take a cab (loosely used term for a car, with a single dirt road out there. )  New things have been built.  Town has a lot of night life. Fun place. There are other cayes that have been built up for diving and hoteling. THere is a single place on Light house caye which is supposed to be very nice to stay at. The south of Belize is supposed to be more inviting these days. So you might want to check it out. Take a malaria drug and bring bug spray.   That’s about what I can summon from my mem at this point. If you have an other questions. Just ask. Good Luck. Matthew

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>A local high school teacher on vacation was killed during a robbery there last >week. >I don’t know if this is an isolated incident or whether there are other >problems.

I’ve followed this very closely, as we stayed near where this incident was.  From the reports, it seemed to me that this was at least partly because of stupidity on the hs teacher’s part. There was a robbery in progress — where the robbers had guns – can’t remember whether there were shots fired or not.  The teacher came out of his bungalow during the course of the robbery (at a restaurant) WITH A KNIFE.  Why would he do that?  Why not just stay in the bungalow.  Since he had a knife, the robbers apparently felt threatened, and shot him. This is just as stupid as what a co-worker of mine did – a very bright man but completely lacking in common sense.  He was walking home from work (in Baltimore, MD), and he was held up at gunpoint.  He put down his briefcase and decked the robber.  The robber got up, retrieved his gun, and ran across the street and then turned around and shot at his intended victim.  He didn’t kill him, because my co-worker bend down to get his briefcase, and the bullet went into his neck and lodged against the spine. He still has that bullet in him – the docs said that they couldn’t safely remove it. So now you can all also avoid Baltimore because we have crime here. FWIW, I found Belize to be one of the safest, most relaxing places to go.  Of course I did not go into Belize City. grandma Rosalie

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>Be careful in Belize! >A local high school teacher on vacation was killed during a robbery there last >week. >I don’t know if this is an isolated incident or whether there are other >problems. >Tom.

Yes that makes 3 tourists in about 5 years, worrying trend. Most cities have records of violent attack far worse in one month than the those of the whole country of Belize in the last five years. If you try put these incidents in perspective it seems less scary. Terry Jordan

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Did you say 10 DAYS…?! Anyway, Belize doesn’t sound like the right place.  It does have a lot of  the stuff you are looking for, but it’s not so efficiently organzied that you could get it all done…in 10 days.  And if you’re talking about THIS September, you should be much further along in your planning… Anyway, I’ve just decided to cancel out on a month in Belize for the meanwhile (was planning on a spring trip) because it’s getting back into its’ dangerous mode, as is most of Central America right now, so it seems.  Also,  maleria is much more prevalent than usual.   Costa Rica diving is not for a beginner. Some places on Roatan would be okay tho I wouldn’t recommend CocoView for the beginner. Since you’re on the east coast, I’d look to the Caribbean…where you can get great, cushy places to stay with good diving for a beginner while still interesting enough for the advanced diver.  Dominica, Saba, Bonaire, just to name a few.  Dominica has some eco-type experiences going on  (I was just there in January, stayed at the Castaways).  But how are the hurricanes in September? That might be a problem. IMHO, best place to dive in September is Hawaii!  (I’ll be there the end of the month.) No crowds, good weather, great diving, and depending on the island/town of choice, you can get into some interesting stuff. Good luck! Carol

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Not to be a nick-picker, but Melindas and Marie Sharps are not the same company. I do not use Melindas anymore since the JERKS who own the name here in the USA were less than honorable about their business arrangement with the original Melindas people. So the good Belizean folks had to put the same good stuff out under a new name, Marie Sharps. Ask for Marie Sharps, and you should likely get it no problem. As for Melindas, I hope the company fails. Would serve them right. jimbo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Did you say 10 DAYS…?! Anyway, Belize doesn’t sound like the right >place.  It does have a lot of  the stuff you are looking for, but it’s >not so efficiently organzied that you could get it all done…in 10 >days.  And if you’re talking about THIS September, you should be much >further along in your planning… >Anyway, I’ve just decided to cancel out on a month in Belize for the >meanwhile (was planning on a spring trip) because it’s getting back into >its’ dangerous mode, as is most of Central America right now, so it >seems.  Also,  maleria is much more prevalent than usual.   Costa Rica >diving is not for a beginner. Some places on Roatan would be okay tho I >wouldn’t recommend CocoView for the beginner. >Since you’re on the east coast, I’d look to the Caribbean…where you >can get great, cushy places to stay with good diving for a beginner >while still interesting enough for the advanced diver.  Dominica, Saba, >Bonaire, just to name a few.  Dominica has some eco-type experiences >going on  (I was just there in January, stayed at the Castaways).  But >how are the hurricanes in September? That might be a problem. >IMHO, best place to dive in September is Hawaii!  (I’ll be there the end >of the month.) No crowds, good weather, great diving, and depending on >the island/town of choice, you can get into some interesting stuff. >Good luck! >Carol

I am very surprised at this reply. Have you in fact been to Belize Carol? I know you say you have just cancelled a trip. For the general itinerary required, Belize is tailor made for it. (particularly the unique experiences of the Maya world and the Jaguar reserve.) If it is now too dangerous to go to Belize I wonder why you do not sugest they just honeymoon at the nearest Hilton to the wedding service. As other people have pointed out the incidents in Belize are rare which is why they get more notice taken of them. (3 tourist murders in 5 years not many major tourist areas in the USA would be as low as that, I would like to know how many in the same period in Safe Hawaii) Grandma Rosalea checked out more details and finds we did have an Action Hero scenerio played out. I have no doubt Hawaii is wonderful for a holiday but If I had decided where to go on holiday, let alone a honeymoon, I am not sure I would realy like to be told my choice was wrong for all the reasons you gave. Anti Malarials are not a great problem to take, Belize is a small place so it is not dificult to set up this sort of trip at short notice. Heck if they contact me I will contact the various lodges, dive shops and hotels for them it IS that easy. Admitted sitting planning your trip in detail for several weeks/months beforehand is a definate part of the whole enjoyment to a lot of people, but maybe with a wedding to plan this luxury had to go and that is why the news group was asked for reccomendations, not to be told this was a stupid idea, in your opinion. I am certain that Rob and his bride will have a wonderful honeymoon in Belize. May I give you both my best wishes for your future happiness together. — dan

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>Here was a web site that specialized in >Belize. I was asking about unusual resorts >in a natural setting. >http://www.capecod.net/itctravel/ >Happy honeymoon, >Mike

Hi All, We book our Belize travel with Majorie Perez at the international airport just outside Belize City. The Orvis Company of Vermont also recommends Marjorie. She has a travel service right at the airport and can take good care of you. She worked for one of the Belizean airlines and really know her stuff. 011-501-252016 Phone or fax. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I’m planning on going ot Belize in the pring, and while I’ve never been there, I , too am planning a ten day vacation. From everything I’ve read, and heard (friends have been there) and seen on this newsgroup, that is a fine amount of time. 14 days seems to be the ideal, but hey we don’t all get tons of vacation time. Also, I’ve spent 75% of my life living in or going to dangerous places, and while I may be foolhardy, 5 or so deaths in the last few years does not seem to be somethign to get upset about– just use common sense. Of course, I live in Washington DC  (maybe I should up the above figue to 85%??) perhaps that’s why I assume people would know that running at someone how has a gun with a knife in your hand is a bad idea. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Did you say 10 DAYS…?! Anyway, Belize doesn’t sound like the right >place.  It does have a lot of  the stuff you are looking for, but it’s >not so efficiently organzied that you could get it all done…in 10 >days.  And if you’re talking about THIS September, you should be much >further along in your planning… >Anyway, I’ve just decided to cancel out on a month in Belize for the >meanwhile (was planning on a spring trip) because it’s getting back into >its’ dangerous mode, as is most of Central America right now, so it >seems.  Also,  maleria is much more prevalent than usual.   Costa Rica >diving is not for a beginner. Some places on Roatan would be okay tho I >wouldn’t recommend CocoView for the beginner. >Since you’re on the east coast, I’d look to the Caribbean…where you >can get great, cushy places to stay with good diving for a beginner >while still interesting enough for the advanced diver.  Dominica, Saba, >Bonaire, just to name a few.  Dominica has some eco-type experiences >going on  (I was just there in January, stayed at the Castaways).  But >how are the hurricanes in September? That might be a problem. >IMHO, best place to dive in September is Hawaii!  (I’ll be there the end >of the month.) No crowds, good weather, great diving, and depending on >the island/town of choice, you can get into some interesting stuff. >Good luck! >Carol > I am very surprised at this reply. > Have you in fact been to Belize Carol? I know you say you have just > cancelled a trip. > For the general itinerary required, Belize is tailor made for it. > (particularly the unique experiences of the Maya world and the Jaguar > reserve.) > If it is now too dangerous to go to Belize I wonder why you do not > sugest they just honeymoon at the nearest Hilton to the wedding service. > As other people have pointed out the incidents in Belize are rare which > is why they get more notice taken of them. (3 tourist murders in 5 years > not many major tourist areas in the USA would be as low as that, I would > like to know how many in the same period in Safe Hawaii) > Grandma Rosalea checked out more details and finds we did have an Action > Hero scenerio played out. > I have no doubt Hawaii is wonderful for a holiday but If I had decided > where to go on holiday, let alone a honeymoon, I am not sure I would > realy like to be told my choice was wrong for all the reasons you gave. > Anti Malarials are not a great problem to take, Belize is a small place > so it is not dificult to set up this sort of trip at short notice. > Heck if they contact me I will contact the various lodges, dive shops > and hotels for them it IS that easy. > Admitted sitting planning your trip in detail for several weeks/months > beforehand is a definate part of the whole enjoyment to a lot of people, > but maybe with a wedding to plan this luxury had to go and that is why > the news group was asked for reccomendations, not to be told this was a > stupid idea, in your opinion. > I am certain that Rob and his bride will have a wonderful honeymoon in > Belize. May I give you both my best wishes for your future happiness > together. > — > dan

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Hey thanks for Hot sauce info. I first found Marie Sharps in Belize and was told it was Melinda’s in the US.  Both are from Costa Rica. MS tastes better to me anyway.

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The unscrupulous people who paid to market Melindas in the US went behind Marie Sharp’s back and had the concoction made in Costa Rica. Marie Sharps, however, is still made is Stann Creek, Belize (near Dangriga) not in Costa Rica. jimbo

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I have not tasted Marie Sharps or seen a bottle since the one I brought back was long ago consumed. Any ideas on where I can get it in the US.  Is Melinda’s stopping import??? Thanks

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Here in St. Louis there are two places that sell it. One is an import store and the other is just a fancy upscale market. Melindas is still selling here in the states, but I don’t buy it anymore. If you can’t find it at an import store, I could ship you some. Jimbo

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I’ll give it a go in the gourmet stores. I never have seen it, but then I have not been looking for it since I was snagging Melinda’s. I live in NYC, I’m sure it will be around some where.  If not, we’ll talk about you shipping me a bottle or two. thanks

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As divers, you’ll love Belize.  After a long day at sea, we would recommend taking a water taxi up north–on Ambergris Caye–to the Capricorn restaurant.  Great food, cozy, romantic atmosphere, friendly owners.  Tell them the lovely family from Washington, DC–via Tar Baby– recommended them!

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Tom, If you don’t know if a murder in Belize (or anywhere for that matter) is an isolated incident or whether there are other problems, then you should not post a statement like "Be careful in Belize!" Do your homework, or keep such comments to yourself. Without the facts you have no business making such a blanket statement. It is not fair to those interested in going to Belize, nor is it fair to those in the tourist business in Belize, and it is not fair to Belizeans as a whole. Jimbo

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I particularly thought it was "not fair" to the man who was murdered, and his family and friends. Tom. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Tom, > If you don’t know if a murder in Belize (or anywhere for that matter) is an > isolated incident or whether there are other problems, then you should not > post a statement like "Be careful in Belize!" > Do your homework, or keep such comments to yourself. Without the facts you > have no business making such a blanket statement. It is not fair to those > interested in going to Belize, nor is it fair to those in the tourist > business in Belize, and it is not fair to Belizeans as a whole. > Jimbo

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Well I agree with James.  I read the account of the incident, and it sounded like he came out at the end of what was an armed robbery (guns) with a knife.  Of course they shot him.  Why would they not?  It was unfortunate, and probably not fair to his family, but it would have been equally unfortunate and unfair if he was at home (which is near Baltimore, and a little farther from DC).  If he had been at home, his murder would have gotten at most a few lines of print in the local press. The newsworthiness of the incident is BECAUSE IT IS SO RARE. Therefore, the thing to have done was to have said — Belize is much safer than the United States, especially Washington DC. There are maybe 3 murders a year in the whole country, and most of them are committed by Guatemalans or non-Belizians. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I particularly thought it was "not fair" to the man who was murdered, and his >family and friends. > Tom, > If you don’t know if a murder in Belize (or anywhere for that matter) is an > isolated incident or whether there are other problems, then you should not > post a statement like "Be careful in Belize!" > Do your homework, or keep such comments to yourself. Without the facts you > have no business making such a blanket statement. It is not fair to those > interested in going to Belize, nor is it fair to those in the tourist > business in Belize, and it is not fair to Belizeans as a whole. > Jimbo

grandma Rosalie

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Sounds to me like he wasn’t being too careful.  This incident is typical of the entire planet, not Belize.  Recently a Japanese lawyer was demonstrating the safty of skyscraper widows by leaning against one.  It fell out and he fell 30 stories to his death.  Should we all post warnings about Japanese Skyscrapers? No.  Use common sense. Kris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I particularly thought it was "not fair" to the man who was murdered, and his > family and friends. > Tom. > Tom, > If you don’t know if a murder in Belize (or anywhere for that matter) is an > isolated incident or whether there are other problems, then you should not > post a statement like "Be careful in Belize!" > Do your homework, or keep such comments to yourself. Without the facts you > have no business making such a blanket statement. It is not fair to those > interested in going to Belize, nor is it fair to those in the tourist > business in Belize, and it is not fair to Belizeans as a whole. > Jimbo

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I have to tell you bout the famous old-time Belizean song, (I think it was sung by Sparrow himself?); one of the verses goes so: If a man steal a mango, ur breeze blow up a woman’s dress, Bet you life, we makin’ headline in the foreign press!!! end Of course there’s more, and the song continues, noting the lack of recognition excellence for Belizean scholars! Paul =:-D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well I agree with James.  I read the account of the incident, and > it sounded like he came out at the end of what was an armed > robbery (guns) with a knife.  Of course they shot him.  Why would > they not?  It was unfortunate, and probably not fair to his > family, but it would have been equally unfortunate and unfair if > he was at home (which is near Baltimore, and a little farther > from DC).  If he had been at home, his murder would have gotten > at most a few lines of print in the local press. > The newsworthiness of the incident is BECAUSE IT IS SO RARE. > Therefore, the thing to have done was to have said — Belize is > much safer than the United States, especially Washington DC. > There are maybe 3 murders a year in the whole country, and most > of them are committed by Guatemalans or non-Belizians.

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Belize City can be a dangerous place..& there is no reason to go there except to "deplane". However Belize is a WONDERFUL country with beautiful people. It is not possible to go diving & "jungling" from the same place. try Chan Chich or Cha Creek or Franics Ford Copala’s lodge for jungle…..try Turnefe Island Lodge on Turneffe atoll or Fred’s Lodge. for diving I have been to Belize many times 7 to all the places I have mentioned & they all special. I have not been out to Ambergris but I beleive it to be very touristy, though it is probably the only place in Belize that has any "nightlife" that is not nature. If you want any further info email me at jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >My future wife and I intend to travel to Belize for about 10 days in early >September 98 for our honeymoon. We would like to have an adventurous, >exotic, educational, unique and somewhat luxurious trip. >We are both certified divers, horseback riders and experienced >trekkers/climbers/mountaineers. We do not usually like group tours although >for certain things where it’s appropriate that’s OK. We normally travel on >the very low end of things a la Lonely Planet guidebooks but as this is our >honeymoon I thought it would be fun to have an upscale excursion for once. >I am attempting to have a trip customized and booked for us in advance >which I would like to include: >- romantic, luxurious, places to stay with good food and secluded >cabannas/rooms on the beach or in the jungle (with access to local >nightlife where appropriate). Preferably these places would be small and >personal but luxurious. >- diving at a variety of the best spots; my fiance has just got her >certification and this will be her first dive in tropical waters! I’d like >to dive extensively in several different locations with breaks in between >for trips inland. >- eco-tour type educational trips, outings and courses; my fiance would >love to spot some jaguars, ocelots, tapirs etc. and we’re both interested >in environmental issues. >- tours of the Mayan ruins including Tikal – it’d be great to have a >personal tour guide who could take us around. >- horseback rides and caving and kayaking – not essential but I thought a >fun addition again perhaps with a personal guide. >- beach activities including sailing and windsurfing >I’d greatly appreciate any advice, recommendations, personal experiences >and particularly recommendations of a good, reliable tour operator to book >all this through (including air travel from the US). Or would it be better >not to book it as one whole package?  Pls send me your advice. TIA >Rob Schmidt >New York City

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>We are both certified divers, horseback riders and experienced >trekkers/climbers/mountaineers. We do not usually like group tours although >for certain things where it’s appropriate that’s OK. We normally travel on >the very low end of things a la Lonely Planet guidebooks but as this is our >honeymoon I thought it would be fun to have an upscale excursion for once.

I have very few recommendations for small, personal and luxurious because we do the lower end stuff ourselves for the most part. >- diving at a variety of the best spots; my fiance has just got her >certification and this will be her first dive in tropical waters! I’d like >to dive extensively in several different locations with breaks in between >for trips inland.

Probably better to do the diving at the beginning.  You don’t have enough time for taking breaks to go inland really.  Pick a place to stay where there is diving to do and do what you can. Incidentally, I did not dive the Blue Hole, and if you do that it will be a whole day out of your schedule (wasted IMHO). >- eco-tour type educational trips, outings and courses; my fiance would >love to spot some jaguars, ocelots, tapirs etc. and we’re both interested >in environmental issues.

Spotting jaguars is going to be easiest at the zoo.  Is a very eco-oriented zoo and should not be missed if you are interested in the jungle cats.  Otherwise, you are almost certainly not going to see any in the wild, especially given your schedule. You can stop at the zoo on the way between the cayes and the cayo. >- tours of the Mayan ruins including Tikal – it’d be great to have a >personal tour guide who could take us around.

If you book a tour into Tikal from one of the lodges you will get a personal Guatemalan tour guide.  We had Walter on the Windy Hill tour, and he was excellent.  There were only 8 people total on the tour. >- horseback rides and caving and kayaking – not essential but I thought a >fun addition again perhaps with a personal guide. >- beach activities including sailing and windsurfing

People do those things, but I don’t know how much rental equipment there is for windsurfing or how feasible day sailing is.  This is not the Virgin Islands with a large tourist industry. >I’d greatly appreciate any advice, recommendations, personal experiences >and particularly recommendations of a good, reliable tour operator to book >all this through (including air travel from the US). Or would it be better >not to book it as one whole package?  Pls send me your advice. TIA

 Most of the diving in Belize is in deep canyons of coral but you don’t have to go deep to do interesting things.  There is good snorkeling at Hol Chan and I did a really interesting night dive there, and there is snorkeling at some of the offshore cayes OK – suggestion time:  - Go to Ambergris Caye or to somewhere down near Placencia for about 4 days to do diving. . 4 days is really not enough (we spent 9 days at 3 locations), but with your schedule that’s the max you can have and still do the rest of it.   If you stay in Placencia the reef is farther away and you do drift dives, but you can go to Cockscomb Jaguar Basin from there more easily than from anywhere else and also see the contemporary Mayan village at the entrance.  You can’t get to Hol Chan from there tho. Ambergris has more variety of accommodations and night life, and you can go both N, S, and E from there for a variety of dive sites.  You might also be able to windsurf from here (saw some being done) and/or sail and you may be able to do Cockscomb from the Cayo district.  Distances in Belize are relatively short. There are good dive shops each place but I don’t know about luxurious accommodations.  We didn’t stay at any place like that. Do the diving first because then you won’t have to worry about flying afterwards. – Go to one of the mountain resorts such as Duplooys for 4 more days – there you can do the horseback riding, hiking etc, and see some of the Mayan ruins in Belize.   – Finish up with a tour of Tikal from Belize, and stay at one of the Inns in the park overnight so you can see the pyramids and sunset/moonrise and or sunrise.  I recommend the Tikal Inn as the best of the lot there. (2 days). You’d better get on the stick now and book because Sept is pretty close.  Not because there won’t be spaces, but because communication is so slow there by mail (esp Guatemala).  And there is no phone service to the hotels at Tikal. grandma Rosalie

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> >The other trick, almost more important, is to start to equalise as soon >as the descent begins (engines are slowed down), and do this every >minute or two as the plane goes down. > Why? The pressure doesn’t start to change for quite some time after > descent commences (assuming you’re at 30-40,000 ft).

The same reason you equalize early and often when scuba diving. If you start before you need to, you’re ahead of the game. If you wait until you feel discomfort, you’ve probably waited too long and could have some troubles clearing your ears from that point on. gentle equalization is best.  If you have to do it "hard", you’ve probably waited too long and you could damage your ears. — LEGAL NOTICE: Any unsolicited or unrequested commercial e-mail sent to this address shall be considered a direct and explicit request for my services to evaluate your sophomoric marketing techniques at a rate of not less than $500.00 per message.  Use of this address for such use constitutes unconditional   acceptance of these terms.

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Regarding the ear pain…Take two dixie cups (styrofoam will do noicely) and place a HOT, wet paper towel in each one, then place over your ears during take-off and landing.  Flight attendants should be happy to oblige, and even though you’ll look stupid as all get out, I promise you won’t have ear pain!

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appear as if it was written: >Regarding the ear pain…Take two dixie cups (styrofoam will do noicely) and >place a HOT, wet paper towel in each one, then place over your ears during >take-off and landing.  Flight attendants should be happy to oblige, and even >though you’ll look stupid as all get out, I promise you won’t have ear pain!

… unless you are seriously congested, in which case you will have pain. (‘cos your eustacian tubes will be blocked, and towels on your ears can’t help if the blockage is, say, nearer the back of your throat). Malc.

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I’m wondering if you have sinus problems.   I experienced the same sensation in my nose and ears for years.  Eventually, I was diagnosed with chronic sinus infections.  Evenutally I needed surgery, and since the surgery I fly pain free. Now the allergist suggests that I take an over the counter decongestant for several days before the flight, while I’m away, and for a few days after I return.  This reduces pressure in the sinuses and might help you. Good luck

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> I’m wondering if you have sinus problems.   I experienced the same > sensation in my nose and ears for years.  Eventually, I was diagnosed with > chronic sinus infections.  Evenutally I needed surgery, and since the > surgery I fly pain free.

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to appear as if it was written: >The other trick, almost more important, is to start to equalise as soon >as the descent begins (engines are slowed down), and do this every >minute or two as the plane goes down. >Why? The pressure doesn’t start to change for quite some time after >descent commences (assuming you’re at 30-40,000 ft).

Because you want to "open" the trapdoor through which the equalizing pressure needs to flow.  This is easier *before* there is pressure holding the trapdoor shut.  (the "trapdoor" has some fancy name, between the eustacian tubes and the back of your throat). If you can get your ears to clear when there is equal pressure, you can do so every time there IS a differential. >Craig

Malc.

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   Newsgroups: rec.travel.air    Why? The pressure doesn’t start to change for quite some time after    descent commences (assuming you’re at 30-40,000 ft). Like any other regulation system, the compressors aboard an aircraft do not hold their target parameter exactly, only approximately.  They take large changes in an input parameter (external air pressure) and reduce their effects as seen in the output parameter (cabin air pressure).  The key word is "reduce"; it is never "eliminate", unless you are willing to ignore fluctuations below a predetermined level as an engineering approximation to zero.  I do not have the specs in front of me right now, but will try to give an explanation nevertheless. What the air pressurization system does is reduce the effect of changes in altitude: if the plane goes from 20,000 ft to 30,000 ft the cabin pressure may change from an effective 8,000 ft to 8,100 ft, a much smaller change, but definitely detectable.  Again, it does not eliminate the changes, it merely reduces them. And now, if someone who has actual specs in front of them could give us hard data …         – pz. — John Pezaris

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> >as the descent begins (engines are slowed down), and do this every >minute or two as the plane goes down. > Why? The pressure doesn’t start to change for quite some time after > descent commences (assuming you’re at 30-40,000 ft).

I guess it depends on the plane type. But I usually start to feel pressure difference shortly after descent has begun. On older planes, this seems much more pronounced. For someone who has problems equalising, it is safer to equalise very regularly as soon as descent begins to ensure that you always have a very small pressure difference to deal with. If you wait until you feel the pressure in your ears, then it will be much harder to equalise (for someone with problems)

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> And the reason that I don’t fly much is that I seem to have a real > problem with the changes in cabin pressure while coming down.

The "scuba diving" method of equalizing ears works well for me. You close your nose and push air. The principle is to pressurise the inside of your head so that the pressurized air is pushed through the small canals that connect your mouth, sinus and the back of your ear. By pushing air in the back of your ear, you push back the eardrum whihc is pushed inwards by the increasing ambiant pressure. The tiny canal which permits the equalisation is easily plugged. (Especially when you have a cold). Sinutab (or other decongestant) helps (take it so that it becomes effective as the plane starts its descent). The other trick, almost more important, is to start to equalise as soon as the descent begins (engines are slowed down), and do this every minute or two as the plane goes down. If the difference in pressure between your inner and outer ears is too great, the tiny canals that allow you to equalise get pinched and it becomes almost impossible to equalize. So it is extremely important to equalise frequently. You can practice this at ground level, just push some air till you you hear that "pop" in your ears. I was told that the more you do it, the easier it gets, and from a scuba diving point of view, this *seems* true.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yo everybody….,  this seems like the place to ask some advice from > seasoned air travelers.  I don’t usually fly but this Saturday I must. > And the reason that I don’t fly much is that I seem to have a real > problem with the changes in cabin pressure while coming down, my ears > hurt terribly, like hot ice picks being poked in to them eventhough I > chew gum like crazy.  I tried to ‘pop’ my ears but they just don’t want > to pop easily and the pain is nearly unbearable.  Would ear plugs help? > Is there anything that any of you fine folks who fly often might tell > me that could help?  I, and my ears, would greatly appreciate whatever > suggestions y’all might offer.  Please drop me a note at my e-mail > address below and please don’t forget to replace the "NOSPAM" with > you-know-what.  Thanks in advance. > Ralf > arbee"NOSPAM"ix.netcom.com > Hello…forgive me for not being able to recall what they are called, > but you can purchase special ear plugs which will allow the air > pressure on your ears to equalize slowly.  There is a fair chance that > these may solve your problem.  You might wish to browse some of the > travel merchandise merchants on the web, but since you are flying soon, > you might do better to check some of the shops at the airport.  I’m > willing to say it’s a good bet that they would have them.  Good luck! >                Craig

The plugs are: "earPlanes" by Travelsmart. there is an information telephone number on the package: 800-ear-6151.  I tried them last month and am not totally sold on them as they were tricky to put in and I’m not sure that they were in right. Jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Yo everybody….,  this seems like the place to ask some advice from > seasoned air travelers.  I don’t usually fly but this Saturday I must. > And the reason that I don’t fly much is that I seem to have a real > problem with the changes in cabin pressure while coming down, my ears > hurt terribly, like hot ice picks being poked in to them eventhough I > chew gum like crazy.  I tried to ‘pop’ my ears but they just don’t > want > to pop easily and the pain is nearly unbearable.  Would ear plugs > help? > Is there anything that any of you fine folks who fly often might tell > me that could help?  I, and my ears, would greatly appreciate whatever > suggestions y’all might offer.  Please drop me a note at my e-mail > address below and please don’t forget to replace the "NOSPAM" with > you-know-what.  Thanks in advance. > Ralf > arbee"NOSPAM"ix.netcom.com

I have the same problem at times.   What works for me is holding my nose closed and attempting to breath out through my nose.  The pressure build up and POPS those ears.  Hurts for a minute, but beats the icepick feeling.

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Yo everybody….,  this seems like the place to ask some advice from seasoned air travelers.  I don’t usually fly but this Saturday I must. And the reason that I don’t fly much is that I seem to have a real problem with the changes in cabin pressure while coming down, my ears hurt terribly, like hot ice picks being poked in to them eventhough I chew gum like crazy.  I tried to ‘pop’ my ears but they just don’t want to pop easily and the pain is nearly unbearable.  Would ear plugs help? Is there anything that any of you fine folks who fly often might tell me that could help?  I, and my ears, would greatly appreciate whatever suggestions y’all might offer.  Please drop me a note at my e-mail address below and please don’t forget to replace the "NOSPAM" with you-know-what.  Thanks in advance.   Ralf arbee"NOSPAM"ix.netcom.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Yo everybody….,  this seems like the place to ask some advice from > seasoned air travelers.  I don’t usually fly but this Saturday I must. > And the reason that I don’t fly much is that I seem to have a real > problem with the changes in cabin pressure while coming down, my ears > hurt terribly, like hot ice picks being poked in to them eventhough I > chew gum like crazy.  I tried to ‘pop’ my ears but they just don’t want > to pop easily and the pain is nearly unbearable.  Would ear plugs help? > Is there anything that any of you fine folks who fly often might tell > me that could help?  I, and my ears, would greatly appreciate whatever > suggestions y’all might offer.  Please drop me a note at my e-mail > address below and please don’t forget to replace the "NOSPAM" with > you-know-what.  Thanks in advance. > Ralf > arbee"NOSPAM"ix.netcom.com

Hello…forgive me for not being able to recall what they are called, but you can purchase special ear plugs which will allow the air pressure on your ears to equalize slowly.  There is a fair chance that these may solve your problem.  You might wish to browse some of the travel merchandise merchants on the web, but since you are flying soon, you might do better to check some of the shops at the airport.  I’m willing to say it’s a good bet that they would have them.  Good luck!                Craig

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Hi, I have a quick question. I found a deal for 4 Night/Five days package to Bahamas for $299/couple. You go on a cruise ship (Discovery 1) to Bahamas and your 4 night stay at a hotel and cruise to Bahamas Freeport is all paid. YOu can travel anytime as long as you give a 45 days notice. Is that for real. It is being offered by Unique Travel Services in Orlando Florida. They have a valid license number on their hompage and seem professionals, but I was wondering if it was not a scam. Any comments. Thanks a bunch in advance.

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 > I have a quick question. I found a deal for 4 Night/Five days package > to Bahamas for $299/couple. You go on a cruise ship (Discovery 1) to > Bahamas and your 4 night stay at a hotel and cruise to Bahamas > Freeport is all paid. YOu can travel anytime as long as you give a 45 > days notice. > Is that for real. It is being offered by Unique Travel Services in > Orlando Florida. They have a valid license number on their hompage and > seem professionals, but I was wondering if it was not a scam. Any > comments.

     Is it a scam?  Sorta.  The same deal (from various agencies) shows up on a postcard in my mailbox 5 or 6 times a year.  What they don’t tell you right away is that the cheap or free cruise "package" does NOT include airfare from your home down to Florida to catch the ship.  What about lodging while you’re IN Florida, before you depart on the cruise.  Does the boat leave in the morning or the evening?  Don’t forget you’ll need a place to sleep the night you get back from the Bahamas, too.      The UNINCLUDED airfare (and Fla. lodging) is where they plan to make some serious money off you.  The sponsoring travel agency will offer to add the non-included part of your "bargain" cruise "package" …at *top* prices for the plane ticket, etc.  So, unless you locate and book your own cheap airfare (and a hotel room after you get back to Fla.), the cruise deal is not what I’d call a bargain.  ;-)  Of course, opinions may vary.  But ask yourself, "How are they going to make any money at all, flying TWO people from Nebraska (or wherever) to Florida, giving them lodging there, PLUS a cruise for two to the Bahamas, ALL for just $299 total?" Regards…   JR

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There are a few cruise lines which offer a $99 dollar fare to take you from florida to the bahamas and back. It includes everything except a cabin and they put you off that evening.  Good for a taste of the boat. There are many decent, but not expecially nice places to stay in nassau for 50-60 dollars a night.  It is not necessarily a scam, but not that great a deal either.  They are just selling something few know about. By the way, there are some real dives in the bahamas as well.  Do some research on where they want to put you up. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I have a quick question. I found a deal for 4 Night/Five days package > to Bahamas for $299/couple. You go on a cruise ship (Discovery 1) to > Bahamas and your 4 night stay at a hotel and cruise to Bahamas > Freeport is all paid. YOu can travel anytime as long as you give a 45 > days notice. > Is that for real. It is being offered by Unique Travel Services in > Orlando Florida. They have a valid license number on their hompage and > seem professionals, but I was wondering if it was not a scam. Any > comments. > Thanks a bunch in advance.

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>I have a quick question. I found a deal for 4 Night/Five days package >to Bahamas for $299/couple. You go on a cruise ship (Discovery 1) to >Bahamas and your 4 night stay at a hotel and cruise to Bahamas >Freeport is all paid. YOu can travel anytime as long as you give a 45 >days notice. >Is that for real. It is being offered by Unique Travel Services in >Orlando Florida. They have a valid license number on their hompage and >seem professionals, but I was wondering if it was not a scam. Any >comments.

Most commonly, these are give-away promotions for timeshare condos, etc. They are "real", but, unless you live near Oflando, you will spend four travel days instead of two getting to Freeport; you’ll spend two days traveling to/from Orlando, and two more days traveling on the Discovery. You’ll spend additional money for: Travel to Orlando; two nights in Orlando; Probably to upgrade to better accomodations on Freeport, etc. Although I recognize that other opinions will vary, for my taste, the Discovery is overcrowded, overrated and overpriced.  It (and similar vessels) are aging cruise ships converted to do this sort of "ferry" service. You can arrange same day air travel from almost anywhere in the USA to Freeport. And you get two extra days (the days you would spend traveling on Discovery) to enjoy the island. —       Charlie Hammond — Digital Equipment Corporation — Nashua NH USA       All  opinions  expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect       my employer’s position.

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Hi, I bought this cruise package, and now I won’t be able to use it, so I’d like to sell it to someone who can use it. You can use it within 18 months (that’s 1 1/2 years from now) and choose any travel dates you want, except last two weeks in December. Port taxes and air travel is extra. This vacation includes: -4 days and 3 nights at the Bonaventure resort and spa -3 days and 3 nights on cruise with Carnival or Norwegian to Nasser         and Blue Lagoon -choice of 4 days / 3 nights in Virginia or 3 days, 2 nights in Orlando All for $498 for two!  This package is offerred through Travel Opportunities, 2701 W. Oakland Park Blvd., Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33311 cust svc #800-956-4333 This is how much I payed for it, and I’d like to get the same (I’m not looking to make any money off of it, just want to recover my spendings) if you are interested, please email me (I got this as a special offer, and won’t be able to use it).  I can send you the whole package – videotape, fine print, etc. and if you like it, then send me payment, if not, then send it back.  This is so you know exactly what you’re getting. Ashwani Garg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi, >I bought this cruise package, and now I won’t be able to use it, so >I’d like to sell it to someone who can use it. >You can use it within 18 months (that’s 1 1/2 years from now) >and choose any travel dates you want, except last two weeks >in December. >Port taxes and air travel is extra. >This vacation includes: >-4 days and 3 nights at the Bonaventure resort and spa >-3 days and 3 nights on cruise with Carnival or Norwegian to Nasser >    and Blue Lagoon >-choice of 4 days / 3 nights in Virginia or 3 days, 2 nights in >Orlando >All for $498 for two!  This package is offerred through Travel >Opportunities, 2701 W. Oakland Park Blvd., Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33311 >cust svc #800-956-4333 >This is how much I payed for it, and I’d like to get the same (I’m not >looking to make any money off of it, just want to recover my >spendings) >if you are interested, please email me (I got this as a special offer, >and won’t be able to use it).  I can send you the whole package – >videotape, fine print, etc. and if you like it, then send me payment, >if not, then send it back.  This is so you know exactly what you’re >getting. >Ashwani Garg

Sorry guy but you got the shaft. This same vacation is being offered all over the USA for anywhere between $199 and $499 and is worth about $99. If you can try and get your money back from who you bought it from, but don’t hold your breath. Jim PS My son just got basically the same "vacation" in the mail yesterday for free. I’m sure he would have to pay port taxes etc which will end up around $200 thought. It’s a ripoff

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writes: >Hi, >I bought this cruise package, and now I won’t be able to use it, so >I’d like to sell it to someone who can use it. >You can use it within 18 months (that’s 1 1/2 years from now) >and choose any travel dates you want, except last two weeks >in December.

this always amuses me. the "seller" says they can’t use it , BUT you have up to 18 months to use it! why can’t the seller use it in that time frame???     (this one seems a little different than the obvious ripoffs, in that it is a name brand cruise! any opinions on this??)

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> this always amuses me. the "seller" says they can’t use it , BUT you > have up to 18 months to use it! why can’t the seller use it in that > time frame??? (this one seems a little different than the obvious ripoffs, in > that it is a name brand cruise! any opinions on this??)

Yeah, muffyn, my opinion is that you hit the nail right on the head….sounds like bull**** to me too.

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> Insurance regulations. That’s what the rental agencies will tell > you. I can’t comment on it being the truth or not, but it sounds > reasonable.

At least the big rental companies in Germany like Sixt, Eurocar etc. do not have any insurance. It