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appear as if it was written: >OK, I give up……which oneDOESN’T carry a foreign flag? >PIA carries Pakistan’s flag, Martinair the flag of the Netherlands, Royal >Jordanian the the flag of Jordan.   >In any case, do YOU have a better way of going to Europe for $199 each >way?  I’d be curious to hear it. >What’s your point, anyway?

Well, this point came up a while back with regards to the new BA livery… The issue is the difference between "foreign flagged carrier" and "foreign flag carrier".  One is registered in a foreign country, the other is an instrument of another government’s foreign policy (Pan Am and TWA were, for years, the US governments "Chosen Instruments"). Does it matter that, say, British Airways is a foreign flag carrier while Britannia Airways isn’t?  No. But this is r.t.a, and we *do* so like to pick nits… >Michael Starr >StarrTours >Making Europe Affordable Again

Surely that should be "making *getting to* Europe Affordable Again"? Malc.

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>>>Yes….also Royal Jordanian, Martinair, and quite a few others, >>depending on who’s got the best deal at the time, depending >>on date, destination, and availability. >Except that you said flights were on Scheduled foreign flag carriers.  I >think you’ve just ruined your credibility. >The airlines mentioned are certainly SCHEDULED carriers, >not charters, and without a doubt they ARE foreign, not U.S, >carriers. You can look them up on EasySabre or Travelocity. >What I think has been ruined here is any perception of your being able to >get your facts straight.

Escuse you indeed!  Which of the above *IS NOT* a flag carrier as you promised in your original post?  Who’s facts are not straight?  I thought so. >An apology is in order.

Yes it is indeed! — Because the junk mailers of the world think my address is their play thing, my e-mail address will not be revealed.  Please respond publicly.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>Looking to go to Amsterdam the first or second week of November leaving >>>>Friday night returning the following Saturday.  Need Airlines & flight >>>>info & pricing round trip.  Leaving from Kennedy, LaGuardia or Newark >>>>whichever I can get the best rates for. >>>You can now fly from New York City’s Kennedy Airport to your >>>choice of Paris, Frankfurt, or Amsterdam at a cost of only $199 >>>each way.  There are NO restrictions, other than availability at >>>the time of booking, and you may even fly to one city and return >>>to NY from another at no extra charge.  Our flights are always on >>>scheduled foreign-flag carriers, never charter flights,  using only >>>Boeing 747 and AirBus 310 aircraft exclusively.  This fare is valid >>>for travel after September 30.  Before that date, the fare is $229 >>>each way.  No frequent flyer miles are offered, just hundreds of >>>dollars in savings. >>>BUSINESS CLASS is available throughout the year at $399, and >>>FIRST CLASS is $549 each way, again available 12 months a year. >>>NOTE: >>>Please do not inquire as to any other points of departure >>>or destinations, since the ones listed above are the only >>>ones we offer service to.  Should you live in another city, >>>you must make your way to JFK on your own. >>>We also offer RailEurope’s Europasses and Eurailpasses >>>to get you around in Europe once you’re there.  You can >>>check them out at http://www.raileurope.com >>>All airfares listed above are each way, based on roundtrip >>>purchase plus tax. >>>Michael/STARRTOURS/NY >>>Making Europe Affordable Again >>Additional note: Airline = Pakistan International Airlines. >Yes….also Royal Jordanian, Martinair, and quite a few others, >depending on who’s got the best deal at the time, depending >on date, destination, and availability. >Except that you said flights were on Scheduled foreign flag carriers.  I >think you’ve just ruined your credibility.

The airlines mentioned are certainly SCHEDULED carriers, not charters, and without a doubt they ARE foreign, not U.S, carriers. You can look them up on EasySabre or Travelocity. What I think has been ruined here is any perception of your being able to get your facts straight. Michael Starr StarrTours Making Europe Affordable Again An apology is in order.

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I agree 100% with Helen.  rec.travel.air IS NOT the place to be asking questions like "What’s the cheapest fare from Cheesy City to Slimeball Metro.  Nor is it the place for all those insane "non refundable/changeable ticket for sale" that always crop up.  That is for rec.travel.marketplace.  Helen’s comments are not out of line! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And Helen I beg of you please stop telling me how I should think in >rec.travel.air!  We are ALL here to give travel adivice and suggestions >to anyone who chooses to post here. That means EVERYONE from the >million-mile flyer down to the once-a-year-at-Christmas traveller. I >make it a point to read posts from several people who’s opinion I hold >in high regard (you, Wayne, Jacey, Malc for example). But I can’t >believe you posted what you just did! (Besides, who has time to real all >1000 posts-I don’t!)   >Yes Helen, I am disapointed in you but I will stil lread your posts, >even if I don’t agree with them from time to time!                       >Maryanne.    

– Because the junk mailers of the world think my address is their play thing, my e-mail address will not be revealed.  Please respond publicly.

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>>>Additional note: Airline = Pakistan International Airlines. >Yes….also Royal Jordanian, Martinair, and quite a few others, >depending on who’s got the best deal at the time, depending >on date, destination, and availability. >Except that you said flights were on Scheduled foreign flag carriers.  I >think you’ve just ruined your credibility.

PIA and Royal Jordanian are scheduled foreign flag carriers. Martinair is also scheduled, but is not a flag carrier.  If that is the extent of your complaint… Max — All the busy little creatures Chasing out their destinies Living in their pools They soon forget about the sea…      Neil Peart, 1980

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Looking to go to Amsterdam the first or second week of November leaving >>>Friday night returning the following Saturday.  Need Airlines & flight >>>info & pricing round trip.  Leaving from Kennedy, LaGuardia or Newark >>>whichever I can get the best rates for. >>You can now fly from New York City’s Kennedy Airport to your >>choice of Paris, Frankfurt, or Amsterdam at a cost of only $199 >>each way.  There are NO restrictions, other than availability at >>the time of booking, and you may even fly to one city and return >>to NY from another at no extra charge.  Our flights are always on >>scheduled foreign-flag carriers, never charter flights,  using only >>Boeing 747 and AirBus 310 aircraft exclusively.  This fare is valid >>for travel after September 30.  Before that date, the fare is $229 >>each way.  No frequent flyer miles are offered, just hundreds of >>dollars in savings. >>BUSINESS CLASS is available throughout the year at $399, and >>FIRST CLASS is $549 each way, again available 12 months a year. >>NOTE: >>Please do not inquire as to any other points of departure >>or destinations, since the ones listed above are the only >>ones we offer service to.  Should you live in another city, >>you must make your way to JFK on your own. >>We also offer RailEurope’s Europasses and Eurailpasses >>to get you around in Europe once you’re there.  You can >>check them out at http://www.raileurope.com >>All airfares listed above are each way, based on roundtrip >>purchase plus tax. >>Michael/STARRTOURS/NY >>Making Europe Affordable Again >Additional note: Airline = Pakistan International Airlines. >Yes….also Royal Jordanian, Martinair, and quite a few others, >depending on who’s got the best deal at the time, depending >on date, destination, and availability.

Except that you said flights were on Scheduled foreign flag carriers.  I think you’ve just ruined your credibility. — Because the junk mailers of the world think my address is their play thing, my e-mail address will not be revealed.  Please respond publicly.

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Looking to go to Amsterdam the first or second week of November leaving Friday night returning the following Saturday.  Need Airlines & flight info & pricing round trip.  Leaving from Kennedy, LaGuardia or Newark whichever I can get the best rates for.

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>Looking to go to Amsterdam the first or second week of November leaving >Friday night returning the following Saturday.  Need Airlines & flight >info & pricing round trip.  Leaving from Kennedy, LaGuardia or Newark >whichever I can get the best rates for.

I would suggest calling a travel agency then, or if you’re interested in a particular airline, call them or consult their web page.  This list if for discussion of air travel, not getting specific fare information. -Dan

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                Dan sys:                 ["... this  list is for discusion of air                 trave, not getting specific fare                 information."] Funny Dan, I thought being an informed travel consumer included being informed on fare information. Maryanne.      

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Looking to go to Amsterdam the first or second week of November leaving >Friday night returning the following Saturday.  Need Airlines & flight >info & pricing round trip.  Leaving from Kennedy, LaGuardia or Newark >whichever I can get the best rates for. >Looking to go to Amsterdam the first or second week of November leaving >Friday night returning the following Saturday.  Need Airlines & flight >info & pricing round trip.  Leaving from Kennedy, LaGuardia or Newark >whichever I can get the best rates for.

You can now fly from New York City’s Kennedy Airport to your choice of Paris, Frankfurt, or Amsterdam at a cost of only $199 each way.  There are NO restrictions, other than availability at the time of booking, and you may even fly to one city and return to NY from another at no extra charge.  Our flights are always on scheduled foreign-flag carriers, never charter flights,  using only Boeing 747 and AirBus 310 aircraft exclusively.  This fare is valid for travel after September 30.  Before that date, the fare is $229 each way.  No frequent flyer miles are offered, just hundreds of dollars in savings. BUSINESS CLASS is available throughout the year at $399, and FIRST CLASS is $549 each way, again available 12 months a year. NOTE: Please do not inquire as to any other points of departure or destinations, since the ones listed above are the only ones we offer service to.  Should you live in another city, you must make your way to JFK on your own. We also offer RailEurope’s Europasses and Eurailpasses to get you around in Europe once you’re there.  You can check them out at http://www.raileurope.com All airfares listed above are each way, based on roundtrip purchase plus tax. Michael/STARRTOURS/NY Making Europe Affordable Again

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Looking to go to Amsterdam the first or second week of November leaving >Friday night returning the following Saturday.  Need Airlines & flight >info & pricing round trip.  Leaving from Kennedy, LaGuardia or Newark >whichever I can get the best rates for. >You can now fly from New York City’s Kennedy Airport to your >choice of Paris, Frankfurt, or Amsterdam at a cost of only $199 >each way.  There are NO restrictions, other than availability at >the time of booking, and you may even fly to one city and return >to NY from another at no extra charge.  Our flights are always on >scheduled foreign-flag carriers, never charter flights,  using only >Boeing 747 and AirBus 310 aircraft exclusively.  This fare is valid >for travel after September 30.  Before that date, the fare is $229 >each way.  No frequent flyer miles are offered, just hundreds of >dollars in savings. >BUSINESS CLASS is available throughout the year at $399, and >FIRST CLASS is $549 each way, again available 12 months a year. >NOTE: >Please do not inquire as to any other points of departure >or destinations, since the ones listed above are the only >ones we offer service to.  Should you live in another city, >you must make your way to JFK on your own. >We also offer RailEurope’s Europasses and Eurailpasses >to get you around in Europe once you’re there.  You can >check them out at http://www.raileurope.com >All airfares listed above are each way, based on roundtrip >purchase plus tax. >Michael/STARRTOURS/NY >Making Europe Affordable Again

Additional note: Airline = Pakistan International Airlines.

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>                Dan sys: >                ["... this  list is for discusion of air >                trave, not getting specific fare >                information."] >Funny Dan, I thought being an informed travel consumer included being >informed on fare information.

No it means being informed on HOW to get current fare information.  Very few of the participants in the newsgroup know the best fare to anywhere and lack the time and interest to look it up for everyone who can’t (or won’t) do it themselves.  And since Dan told the original poster HOW to get fare information he did just what this newsgroup should do – make better informed travel consumers. I assume you are an informed travel consumer.  Quick – don’t look it up now because you are an informed consumer remember – what is the best fare between Halifax and Newark?   Didn’t thionk so.

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 mk> Dan sys:  mk> ["... this  list is for discusion of air  mk> trave, not getting specific fare  mk> information."]  mk> Funny Dan, I thought being an informed travel consumer included being  mk> informed on fare information. there you go again, Maryanne. Trying to tell other people what goes on in rec.travel.air when you have NO IDEA. rec.travel.air is *not* the place to ask "how do I get from Podunk to Peoria". Instead, you should ask those questions on rec.travel.marketplace. Asking for tips on how to get good fares is another thing, although I believe it’s covered in the FAQ (FAQ – Frequently Asked Questions & their answers. You have read it, Maryanne?). The usual stuff: stay over a Saturday, book far in advance, take advantage of a fare sale, don’t fly in & out of a fortress hub if you can avoid it. Maryanne, I beg of you, please stop telling people "how things are done on rec.travel.air" when you have NO IDEA! –Helen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Looking to go to Amsterdam the first or second week of November leaving >>Friday night returning the following Saturday.  Need Airlines & flight >>info & pricing round trip.  Leaving from Kennedy, LaGuardia or Newark >>whichever I can get the best rates for. >You can now fly from New York City’s Kennedy Airport to your >choice of Paris, Frankfurt, or Amsterdam at a cost of only $199 >each way.  There are NO restrictions, other than availability at >the time of booking, and you may even fly to one city and return >to NY from another at no extra charge.  Our flights are always on >scheduled foreign-flag carriers, never charter flights,  using only >Boeing 747 and AirBus 310 aircraft exclusively.  This fare is valid >for travel after September 30.  Before that date, the fare is $229 >each way.  No frequent flyer miles are offered, just hundreds of >dollars in savings. >BUSINESS CLASS is available throughout the year at $399, and >FIRST CLASS is $549 each way, again available 12 months a year. >NOTE: >Please do not inquire as to any other points of departure >or destinations, since the ones listed above are the only >ones we offer service to.  Should you live in another city, >you must make your way to JFK on your own. >We also offer RailEurope’s Europasses and Eurailpasses >to get you around in Europe once you’re there.  You can >check them out at http://www.raileurope.com >All airfares listed above are each way, based on roundtrip >purchase plus tax. >Michael/STARRTOURS/NY >Making Europe Affordable Again >Additional note: Airline = Pakistan International Airlines.

Yes….also Royal Jordanian, Martinair, and quite a few others, depending on who’s got the best deal at the time, depending on date, destination, and availability. You can look up PIA on the Web at http://www.piac.com/ Michael/StarrTours/NYC Making Europe Affordable Again

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>                Dan sys: >                ["... this  list is for discusion of air >                trave, not getting specific fare >                information."] >Funny Dan, I thought being an informed travel consumer included being >informed on fare information.

This newsgroup is for discussion of air travel, not for getting specific fare information. The reason is that any specific fare is not of general interest to readers of this newsgroup; also, there is another newsgroup for that purpose. Although recent threads have been making fun of some of the wackier posts, there is one class of post that is unwelcome above all, and that is the "What is the lowest fare…" posts. Quite frequently they are posted by AOL and WebTV users…

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And Helen I beg of you please stop telling me how I should think in rec.travel.air!  We are ALL here to give travel adivice and suggestions to anyone who chooses to post here. That means EVERYONE from the million-mile flyer down to the once-a-year-at-Christmas traveller. I make it a point to read posts from several people who’s opinion I hold in high regard (you, Wayne, Jacey, Malc for example). But I can’t believe you posted what you just did! (Besides, who has time to real all 1000 posts-I don’t!)   Yes Helen, I am disapointed in you but I will stil lread your posts, even if I don’t agree with them from time to time!                       Maryanne.    

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kehoe) writes: >Yes Helen, I am disapointed in you but I will stil lread your posts, >even if I don’t agree with them from time to time!                 >Maryanne.    

  I’m sure that Helen breathes a sigh of relief that you will continue to read her posts.

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<SNIP!> Deleted Text <SNIP!> > I assume you are an informed travel consumer.  Quick – don’t look it up now > because you are an informed consumer remember – what is the best fare between > Halifax and Newark?

===== The lowest available fare for the times that I actually want to fly.   —– Rob Schlesinger, CTC            Typed in Long Beach, CA – USA President                       Two Brothers Travel, Inc.

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