Air Travel

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>I can remember no circumstance where a crew member or other passenger was

injured during an air >rage incident.

Perhaps a modicum of research would help your memory. Here’s the most egregious: http://news.airwise.com/stories/2001/03/984401270.html For more, go to www.skyrage.org and search for ‘injured’ – the search is at the foot of the page. hth Brian

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OOOOH   …Kinky…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> increased odds of air rage. The solution is to put one army guys with the his > machine gun patrolling the aisle in the plane instead of getting groups of > Instead of an army guy, how about a dominatrix with a whip? That should > keep those bitches in their seats! Plus it would be much better > entertainment to see the dominatrix whip a guy for standing up…

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> Of course, after such a trip, people would no longer fly and all airlines > would go belly up, giving Amtrak a chance to get back to its heydays of rail travel.

Yeah, right…. Amtrak gets handed the most amazing thing in their history right as they have to become profitable on their own.. the only suspense left is how Amtrak will find a way to F it up. Matthew

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> > > And we thought that air rage would end. > What causes air rage ? The more irritants you put into air travel, > the more the chances of someone air raging. > Lack of self control is what causes air rage.

Indeed, Dan. > It’s like asking what causes people to get drunk. Is it … the > bartender serving the drinks, or is it the dude consuming alcohol > that makes him drunk?

This relates somewhat to another thread. Yes, drunkenness is a manifestation of lack of self-control. That said, it seems at least a tad bizarre for airlines to continue to allow alcohol to be consumed in flight, since there are known risks associated with consumption of alcohol at reduce atmospheric pressure. And, given that we *know* that some will lack the self-control to limit their drinking onboard voluntarily, would it not be easier for stewardesses to quote a simple rule that they just don’t serve alcohol at all: it would certainly eliminate any tendency to allow "just one more glass" in the hope that a fellow who, in the opinion of all impartial observers, is already somewhat inebriated will not then create a fuss?

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> increased odds of air rage. The solution is to put one army guys with the his > machine gun patrolling the aisle in the plane instead of getting groups of

Instead of an army guy, how about a dominatrix with a whip? That should keep those bitches in their seats! Plus it would be much better entertainment to see the dominatrix whip a guy for standing up…

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>Instead of an army guy, how about a > dominatrix with a whip? That should > keep those bitches in their seats! Plus > it would be much better entertainment to > see the dominatrix whip a guy for > standing up…

Well, Rep Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) just got made ‘House Whip’ today and was even given a ceremonial whip to go along with her new post. If there was ever a ready-made dominatrix, it’s Nancy….

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Wilkerson says… >Well, Rep Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) just got made ‘House Whip’ today and was >even given a ceremonial whip to go along with her new post. >If there was ever a ready-made dominatrix, it’s Nancy….

Nah, the perfect dominatrix (perfectly named, anyway) is former CNN Business Babe (what is she doing now?), "Willow Bay"!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > And we thought that air rage would end. > > What causes air rage ? The more irritants you put into air travel, > > the more the chances of someone air raging. > Lack of self control is what causes air rage. > Indeed, Dan. > It’s like asking what causes people to get drunk. Is it … the > bartender serving the drinks, or is it the dude consuming alcohol > that makes him drunk? > This relates somewhat to another thread. > Yes, drunkenness is a manifestation of lack of self-control. > That said, it seems at least a tad bizarre for airlines to continue to > allow alcohol to be consumed in flight, since there are known risks > associated with consumption of alcohol at reduce atmospheric pressure. > And, given that we *know* that some will lack the self-control to limit > their drinking onboard voluntarily, would it not be easier for > stewardesses to quote a simple rule that they just don’t serve alcohol > at all: it would certainly eliminate any tendency to allow "just one > more glass" in the hope that a fellow who, in the opinion of all > impartial observers, is already somewhat inebriated will not then create > a fuss?

This goes along the lines of compelling everybody to eat mush because the baby can’t eat steak.     Air ragers are so rare that  I see no reason to punish all air travelers for the actions of an infinitesimal few.   And as outrageous and erratic as their behavior often is, I can remember no circumstance where a crew member or other passenger as injured during an air rage incident.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And we thought that air rage would end. >What causes air rage ? The more irritants you put into air travel, the more >the chances of someone air raging. >So, make the airport experience much less pleasant and you just got yourself >increased odds of air rage. The solution is to put one army guys with the his >machine gun patrolling the aisle in the plane instead of getting groups of >them scaring passengers at the airport. >This way, you know that everyone will stay in their seat, won’t move, won’t >even think of getting up to go to the lavatory, won’t even think about asking >for water, will never say anything and will quietly exit the plane when told >to do so. (nobody would dare get up before the captain as turned off the >fasten-seat-belt sign as the plane approaches the gate). >Of course, after such a trip, people would no longer fly and all airlines >would go belly up, giving Amtrak a chance to get back to its heydays of rail >travel.

You’re right, of course, JF. However, I sort of was hoping that people would be more prone to behave, given the likelihood of much less tolerance by police/airlines in such air raging incidents. Air Rage will now have to be treated as potential hijackers and be subject to much more severe treatment from people. John Fernandez

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->    I’ve heard from someone in a chat room (I know, a bad source) that a >Delta > jet has been diverted because of an onboard disturbance, and also that a > commuter airliner is missing (in addition to the one that crashed in >Alaska). > They say this is on the radio, but I can’t find anything. Anybody here know > anything? >Wednesday October 10 5:29 PM ET >Delta Flight Diverted to Louisiana with F-16s >LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – A Delta Airlines flight from Atlanta to Los >Angeles landed safely in Shreveport, Louisiana on Wednesday, escorted by >U.S. fighter jets, after the pilot reported a disturbance on board, a >Federal Aviation Administration spokesman said. >FAA spokesman William Schumann said Delta Flight 357, a Boeing 757, >landed in Shreveport Regional Airport at 3 p.m. local time (4 p.m. EDT). >Schumann did not know if the passengers had been taken off the plane or >if law enforcement officers were on the scene. >A Delta spokeswoman said the flight was diverted due to a ”passenger >incident” and that the passenger was being interviewed by federal >authorities.

And we thought that air rage would end. MORONS. John Fernandez

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> And we thought that air rage would end.

What causes air rage ? The more irritants you put into air travel, the more the chances of someone air raging. So, make the airport experience much less pleasant and you just got yourself increased odds of air rage. The solution is to put one army guys with the his machine gun patrolling the aisle in the plane instead of getting groups of them scaring passengers at the airport. This way, you know that everyone will stay in their seat, won’t move, won’t even think of getting up to go to the lavatory, won’t even think about asking for water, will never say anything and will quietly exit the plane when told to do so. (nobody would dare get up before the captain as turned off the fasten-seat-belt sign as the plane approaches the gate). Of course, after such a trip, people would no longer fly and all airlines would go belly up, giving Amtrak a chance to get back to its heydays of rail travel.

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> > And we thought that air rage would end. > What causes air rage ? The more irritants you put into air travel, the more > the chances of someone air raging.

Lack of self control is what causes air rage.  It’s like asking what causes people to get drunk.  Is it the wife being a nag, is it the bartender serving the drinks, or is it the dude consuming alcohol that makes him drunk? –Dan

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   I’ve heard from someone in a chat room (I know, a bad source) that a Delta jet has been diverted because of an onboard disturbance, and also that a commuter airliner is missing (in addition to the one that crashed in Alaska). They say this is on the radio, but I can’t find anything. Anybody here know anything?

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>    I’ve heard from someone in a chat room (I know, a bad source) that a Delta > jet has been diverted because of an onboard disturbance, and also that a > commuter airliner is missing (in addition to the one that crashed in Alaska). > They say this is on the radio, but I can’t find anything. Anybody here know > anything?

Wednesday October 10 5:29 PM ET Delta Flight Diverted to Louisiana with F-16s LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – A Delta Airlines flight from Atlanta to Los Angeles landed safely in Shreveport, Louisiana on Wednesday, escorted by U.S. fighter jets, after the pilot reported a disturbance on board, a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman said. FAA spokesman William Schumann said Delta Flight 357, a Boeing 757, landed in Shreveport Regional Airport at 3 p.m. local time (4 p.m. EDT). Schumann did not know if the passengers had been taken off the plane or if law enforcement officers were on the scene. A Delta spokeswoman said the flight was diverted due to a ”passenger incident” and that the passenger was being interviewed by federal authorities.

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>    I’ve heard from someone in a chat room (I know, a bad source) that a Delta > jet has been diverted because of an onboard disturbance,

It was a 757. From Atlanta to LAX. Comnplete with the 2 F16 escorts. Here is what really happened: "This is your captain speaking. Thank you for flying Delta. Unfortunmatly, the in-flight entertainment system is not functioning on this plane. However, I think I will be able to provide you with even better entertainment. The FAs will collect bets from all passengers on how long it will take for the 2F16s to get to us. Once all bets are taken, I will radio in that we have someone who knocked on the cockpit door and time how long it takes for the F16s to arrive. The passenger with the closest time will win the jackpot. Afterwards, all passengers will be afforded really close up views of the F16s and I will ask the F16s to perform some acrobatics to impress all of us. I trust that this will be far better entertainment than the old movies they had planned for this flight

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